I think what City would lose in defensive recovery they would gain in control of possession with that move, unfortunately as they are bad for the game imo
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He did some job with Odengarrd mate.
I rated Odengarrd as a better player than Havertz. I think for that kind of dough you have to be improving your starting line up, havertz doesn't improve that front 4.
Havertz is amazing at footie. Just needs the right club.
Could be mate. When i saw the link thats what i thought, two lads with a similar profile, who were very highly rated at a young age, got two big moves, didn't quite work out. I know they are sperate humans like.
But be curious could Arteta get more out of him, he was hugely rated before he went to Chelsea.
Arteta seems to do the Pep thing and wants to build a library of attacking midfielders.
I think Arsenal are a bit more incisive in their play than City, a bit more entertaining too though obviously less effective. Unless Havertz played instead of Odengarrd I think they lose too much in pace and power with him coming in. He's a pretty player that lacks too many tools imo.
Think the difference for me was Arsenal lacked the depth City had last season mate. They were goosed come April, someone like Havrtez can come in and forgive in 4-5 different positions. The space they create as well he can float in and out of - thats his A game.
Arsenal were definitely more incisive having have pacy and direct players, the difficulty they will have next season though is that teams will start to set up not to be broken down the way they do against City, think it was starting to happen more and more as the season went on. Many wouldn't have tipped Arsenal for second last year.
What i like about them is they consistently and incrementally invest steady every year - Rice and maybe Havertz this year could add to it - its all self sufficient as well - would love us to have a similar business plan to them.
I think they tried to combat that defensive block with zinchenko creating the modfield overload, zinchenko looked more tired than most by the end mind.
I agree entirely on them losing tge league on depth, just unconvinced Havertz is the solution.
True mate, the Ukrainian lads played an awful lot of football in the summer of 22 - it was almost a national tour, i think it impacted toward then end of the year, Myko looked goosed here and started to pick up niggles.
Be interesting on Havertz - Arsenal like to shop for low hanging fruit at other PL clubs - Trossard, Zinchenko himself, Jesus - now Harvertz - to be fair they've all added to it. You could throw Odengarrd in there maybe from Real. Seems purposeful and they seem to identify value were others dont - curious when you consider Havertz.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
If aging didn't matter, I would still bury my kid in a sprint. He clocked a few hundredths of a second faster than me in a race years ago prior to hitting puberty, anyway.
Sooner or later, the cliff arrives. It's just hard to predict exactly when, from player to player.
But he hasn't hit his cliff yet so why wouldn't you sign him. He's a 1-2 year investment for a really good right-back.
There's something weird going on with the money around the top of the league - like an unspoken agreement that see cashflow just washing around the 'big clubs'
Havertz to Arsenal?
Mount to Man Utd?
Kovacic to Man City?
What's that smell?
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
The devil is in the details. A one-year is a no brainer. That's why Chelsea kept re-upping Silva.
As you add years to the deal, it becomes riskier. His agent knows this, and will try to extract as many years as possible from a club.
I honestly just couldn't care less at this point. My original and only point: it's not a bad transfer for Bayern.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
Fair. There are many worse moves for them. It's a club where, if it goes sour, they can afford to fix it. They can roll the bones.
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