Noticeable Improvements

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Most football fans are generally fickle, but the game also has a way of making you look foolish.

However if you call things as you see them at the time and don't contradict yourself constantly then you cannot be called out.

I had a go at Barkley on the Hull game and have been a critic of him for a while now. However i can see that now his fitness level looks better and he seems to be letting the ball go a bit quicker he looks a player again. Praise to the management for that one but also praise for him too.

I think we will know a little bit more about the direction this team is going at the end of February.

If we can avoid injuries, a good month is very achievable.
 

Defensively we are better off than last season. We can debate whether that's down to getting more bodies behind the ball or whether it's down to a defence that's better drilled. IMO it is down to the former because the back four are largely the same positionally atrocious players. But we do look much safer in games now.

Attacking wise though there is no argument to sustain a belief we are better off going forward. We don't get forward in as many numbers as we did last season and we haven't scored the number of goals we scored (40 after 23 games as opposed to 34 now after 23 games).

Fitness and team spirit? All subjective and can't be quantified.

We agree that defence has improved. Based on Premier league games we are only 2 clean sheets away from equalling our totals of the last two seasons with 15 games left to play. If we concede less than 15 goals in the next 15 games we will have had a better defensive record than all of Martinez's seasons. Definitely possible but not definitely not guaranteed.

Our attack still needs to improve but we are sitting on a goal difference of +10. We finished previous seasons +4, -2 and Martinez's first year +22.
Credit where credit is due we played very well, for the most part, that first season. Then we didn't play well at all, for the most part, for the next 2 seasons. I'm not certain Koeman will hit the same heights as Martinez did that first season but I think he has the ability to make us perform much better more consistently, which is definitely an improvement.
 
Ok, let's start from the back and move forward...

Keeper:
Martinez signed Joel who was criticised early on for lacking confidence and for coming from Wigan. Incidentally, my biggest criticism of Martinez was the time it took him to make that change, as Howard had been diminishing for the last few years of Moyes time.

Defence:
Its easy to blame Martinez again for this, but again, it was a defence he inherited from Moyes, and 1 which had its best years behind it. For all the Criticism Martinez gets for the state of the squad he left, he had 1 hell of a building job to do when he took over, with Moyes team reaching the end of another cycle, and we all know Martinez was brought in to manage the team on a budget, much like Moyes had, and all prior to Moshiri taking over.
He gets none of the credit for the team performances in year 1, because it was built on Moyes defence, but he's never excused for the eventual decline of said defence after that, even though, Alcaraz and Mori aside, it was still by and large a Moyes defence, who apparently forgot how to defend because Martinez hypnotised them all.

Fitness:
I won't have it that the every single 1 of the players were so unfit under Martinez that it took an entire preseason and 6 months of the current season to undo all that bad work. All players reset in the summer and rebuild again from July onwards. The fitness or lack of, in the back end of Martinez era was as much a symptom of a lack of confidence and an apparent lack of effort from the players who he fallen foul of near the end. Barry implied as much in his interview. Now if you are talking about intensity, that's a different story, and a matter of tactics and conditioning for a different style of play.

Set Pieces:
It always makes me laugh at the thought that Martinez didn't practice any set pieces, but not as much as the thought that professional players who had practiced them for rest of their entire careers suddenly forgot how to do it in less than the space of 1 year. I suppose these players, like Rooney and Ronaldo who stay behind for hours after training to practice taking free kicks would've been brought to task by Evil Bobby as well,had they had the misfortune of playing under his dictatorship.

Midfield:
Our midfield has improved because we have signed 3/4 quality midfielders with our improved budget, instead of signing the likes of Naismith, Cleverley, McGeady, Gibson, Barry, Deulofeu, Besic etc for a combined total of about the price we signed Lookman for. Add to that the gradual emergence of our golden generation, who I'm convinced Martinez was looking to introduce as soon as they were ready.

Attack:
Rom is still scoring our goals.

Team Spirit:
There was an obvious falling out and the team suffered massively for it. Poor run of results, lack of confidence and form and a fan base who love to hound out anyone for failing their expectations, is a toxic mix.

Martinez didn't help himself with his relentless positivity, his loyalty to players who clearly weren't as loyal to him in return, and a stubbornness in continuing down a path that was failing him.

But he's not our manager any more. Leave him alone and stop comparing every decent result against 1 of his poor ones. It helps noone.

P. S. Last year we battered Stoke away. Just saying.

Ok, here we go.

Goalkeeper - can't argue with you, he's still fairly young for a keeper and is still improving

Defence - he wasn't left with one hell of a building job. Baines and Coleman are still regulars and Jagielka has only just been dropped from the team. The back 5 (including GK) was the exact same as the back 5 used by Moyes for however long. He only had to replace Distin when his legs went, which he didn't do too well, considering how much our defence deteriorated. The best defenders in the world would have conceded goals from Martinez season 2 onwards considering the gaping holes we left

Fitness - If you can't see the improvement in fitness compared to last season I can't help you. Barkley is the best example, he's so much leaner, covering more ground and being overall more effective. We conceded an awful lot of goals in the last 15 mins because we were blowing out of our collected arses - whereas this season we're near the top of the goals scored at the end of games instead because we have the extra legs. These extra legs also help maintain concentration and cut out the silly goal-costing mistakes we've been so used to

Set pieces - we didn't practice them - Osman confirmed as much and Martinez openly admitted set pieces were never high on our agenda. And of course players need coaching, it's up to management to scout how opposing teams set up and attack set pieces and work out how to defend it, which needs practice and organisation

Midfield - yup, it has improved, because we've replaced the average/sick note players with better ones. Again, the responsibility of the manager.

We were battered plenty last season.

Sorry mate, don't want to turn this into a Martinez bash or have a go at you specifically, but I disagree with a lot of what you wrote there.

My dinner was ace btw
 

Thought Martinez was the answer for his first season in charge. Had a squad and manager that were able to go places

Heavily started to doubt Martinez after his second season in charge, but hey the squad still looked good and maybe that mid table finish was down to a transitional period.

Completely lost faith with Martinez after a few months in during his third season in charge and came to the conclusion that neither the manager nor a lot of his squad were up to much good in all fairness. No passion, no pride, no belief, no confidence, no desire to play for that blue shirt from a lot of our players. Coupled with a manager who seemed (better said proved) to be completely clueless over how to fix the problems he faces.

Eight months on and a lot of the deadwood has been cleared out. The players left from the Martinez reign, the new signings by Koeman and the prospects from our youth academy look like they start to gel quite nicely.

So, don't really care if those views make me look like a hypocrite or two faced in certain members opinion. The Martinez years were a disaster looking back on it. Oh hindsight really is a beautiful thing. This squad we have now and are still building is much better than anything we had under Martinez though.

*Vault that in two years time if everything goes tits up:p
 
Ok, let's start from the back and move forward...

Keeper:
Martinez signed Joel who was criticised early on for lacking confidence and for coming from Wigan. Incidentally, my biggest criticism of Martinez was the time it took him to make that change, as Howard had been diminishing for the last few years of Moyes time.

Defence:
Its easy to blame Martinez again for this, but again, it was a defence he inherited from Moyes, and 1 which had its best years behind it. For all the Criticism Martinez gets for the state of the squad he left, he had 1 hell of a building job to do when he took over, with Moyes team reaching the end of another cycle, and we all know Martinez was brought in to manage the team on a budget, much like Moyes had, and all prior to Moshiri taking over.
He gets none of the credit for the team performances in year 1, because it was built on Moyes defence, but he's never excused for the eventual decline of said defence after that, even though, Alcaraz and Mori aside, it was still by and large a Moyes defence, who apparently forgot how to defend because Martinez hypnotised them all.

Fitness:
I won't have it that the every single 1 of the players were so unfit under Martinez that it took an entire preseason and 6 months of the current season to undo all that bad work. All players reset in the summer and rebuild again from July onwards. The fitness or lack of, in the back end of Martinez era was as much a symptom of a lack of confidence and an apparent lack of effort from the players who he fallen foul of near the end. Barry implied as much in his interview. Now if you are talking about intensity, that's a different story, and a matter of tactics and conditioning for a different style of play.

Set Pieces:
It always makes me laugh at the thought that Martinez didn't practice any set pieces, but not as much as the thought that professional players who had practiced them for rest of their entire careers suddenly forgot how to do it in less than the space of 1 year. I suppose these players, like Rooney and Ronaldo who stay behind for hours after training to practice taking free kicks would've been brought to task by Evil Bobby as well,had they had the misfortune of playing under his dictatorship.

Midfield:
Our midfield has improved because we have signed 3/4 quality midfielders with our improved budget, instead of signing the likes of Naismith, Cleverley, McGeady, Gibson, Barry, Deulofeu, Besic etc for a combined total of about the price we signed Lookman for. Add to that the gradual emergence of our golden generation, who I'm convinced Martinez was looking to introduce as soon as they were ready.

Attack:
Rom is still scoring our goals.

Team Spirit:
There was an obvious falling out and the team suffered massively for it. Poor run of results, lack of confidence and form and a fan base who love to hound out anyone for failing their expectations, is a toxic mix.

Martinez didn't help himself with his relentless positivity, his loyalty to players who clearly weren't as loyal to him in return, and a stubbornness in continuing down a path that was failing him.

But he's not our manager any more. Leave him alone and stop comparing every decent result against 1 of his poor ones. It helps noone.

P. S. Last year we battered Stoke away. Just saying.

We were garbage last year, end of story
 

we now have a goalkeeper who dominates his box and makes saves and catches crosses!
Did the same when he came in for Howard and kept a few clean sheets if I remember right, but instantly displaced and normal service resumed. Another master stroke.

Still got an error in him but you just don't get a Southall or Schmeichel these days
 

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