Cant imagine hes happy at this point, he was promised some game time and he has hardly had a sniff.
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Jimmy Grimble
Player Valuation: £20m
I really liked what I saw of him but then again I thought that young lad from the u23s was going to be the heir to gana and he disappeared off the radar.
ossie_21
Player Valuation: £8m
Poor Niels is the equivalent of a job advertisement looking for a recent graduate with 10 years of management experience.
A few times Carlo has been asked about him the answer has been that he needs more experience, but we aren’t loaning him out and then aren’t playing him. He impressed in brief appearances, regardless of the opposition there has been a few games where’s he’s been a sub, perfect opportunity to just get him on and see what happens. He could surprise with his pace and will at least try to make things happen, which is more than what most of our players are too afraid to do
A few times Carlo has been asked about him the answer has been that he needs more experience, but we aren’t loaning him out and then aren’t playing him. He impressed in brief appearances, regardless of the opposition there has been a few games where’s he’s been a sub, perfect opportunity to just get him on and see what happens. He could surprise with his pace and will at least try to make things happen, which is more than what most of our players are too afraid to do
If a youngster's development is secondary then couldn't a loan be a chance to go somewhere that his development is more of a priority?
As Ancelotti himself has said....
"Most of the time, a young player that grows in a top team usually has to go away for loan for one year or two years, and then they come back when they are ready. So I often have no time to give the players time to improve, because I have to be focused on the result of the team."
I think Ancelotti is more than happy to give young players game time but they have to be at a pretty advanced level in their development. I'm not sure if he's overly hands on before that point and may well leave it to the developmental team. He comes across as a specific first team manager rather than the older fashioned type of all encompassing club manager. I could be talking wham though - speculation based on past reporting at best.
As for history not showing the benefits of a loan I'm not sure the loan is the deciding factor in a players failure to progress. Even a loan that is seen as underwhelming or outright disastrous can be helpful to development - a bit of exposure to adversity and realisation that they're not anywhere near the top flight player they maybe think they are isn't necessarily a bad thing. I've heard in a couple of interviews that quite often young players at top-flight clubs think they'll boss it if they drop down a couple of divisions then bounce right back. Then reality hits and some flourish, most flounder.
And loans aren't really sent off packing and forgot. The loan manager or whoever holds a similar role at the club is in regular contact with the player and the loaning club. Watching games or even heading down for regular visits to observe their training is pretty typical.
In Nkounko's case however I'm totally in agreement with you. New to the country and arguably needed for depth as a 3rd choice specialist LB capable of filling in if we get a concentration of injuries in one position. It's not unusual for a more experienced player to take half a season or so to find their feet at a new club so I definitely don't agree with the clamour to see a completely inexperienced French teenager in the first team yet.
KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
Not like Everton to give out some false promises is it?
“Yeah come on down lad we'll get Europe no drama”
“We’ll replace Lukaku”
“I’ll get you Champions(ship) League”
“you’ll get loads of game time”
“we’re going to sign exciting players” *Tom Cleverley*
This post is firmly tongue in cheek btw before I’m labelled as one of “them”
If he was given a chance, I'd like to see him as a left midfielder/winger. He's a good crosser of the ball, has shown he can go past opponents with speed or a piece of skill, and he can help digne out at left back with extra cover.
Playing him advanced wide left lessens the risk of any mistakes leading directly to goals for the opposition.
Playing him advanced wide left lessens the risk of any mistakes leading directly to goals for the opposition.
Terrarian
Player Valuation: £50m
To be an effective winger you need a different skillset than full back. FB's have the whole pitch to look at, they can see everything and when receiving the ball are generally facing forwards. There is a reason wingers tend to be pacey and tricky, it's to get out of tight situations and the ability to create space for yourself.
It's not as easy as just saying play our young LB LW, it's a different ball game. Don't remember many fullbacks converting into successful wingers, Bale off the top of my head can't think of another.
It's not as easy as just saying play our young LB LW, it's a different ball game. Don't remember many fullbacks converting into successful wingers, Bale off the top of my head can't think of another.
collymcd
Player Valuation: £15m
Coleman got game time on the wing before moving to right back. Seemed to allow him hone the defensive side of his game.
Of course it's a different position, but I still think it'd be worth giving Nkounkou minutes wide left. My guess is his pace and crossing ability would give him a decent chance there.
Terrarian
Player Valuation: £50m
I forgot Seamus used to play wide right. That's 2 then, can you see my point. rarely works because the two positions require different skills.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
Yes totally.
Also its the wingers that create the space for the FBs to run into when running inside taking players away.
collymcd
Player Valuation: £15m
As far as I can remember Coleman's stint on the wing was considered a success, but even then you could see he really wasn't really a winger.
Still though, for the sake of his development, I'd be giving Nkounkou 20-30 minutes here and there on the wing.
Terrarian
Player Valuation: £50m
I can't say for certain, for me he looks the part with the pitch in front of him as he is quick and makes decent runs, you don't get that further up, you need to be able to create chances as well, although his crossing seems decent, just not convinced on using FBs further forward. I see your argument for it though.
At the expense of his development as a FB though? He's 19 - he needs to develop in at least one position before being bandied about in others or else there's a chance we take a potentially excellent FB and create an average utility wide player not good enough to hold a first team place.
He's probably spent his youth career moving all over the shop as many do - Sol Campbell was a winger turned centre-half, Jamie Carragher played as a very promising striker at England schoolboy level.
Seamus Coleman was an oddity as he came into football comparatively very late and I think might have even been looked at as a centre-half, then winger, then full-back.
aglee
Player Valuation: £8m
I've said the same, it was exactly how Moyes handled Seamus' introduction to the first team
Best crosser at the club.
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