NFL 2025 Season
- Thread starter Moomin
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The packers have usually been my escape from watching bad Everton teams. Not so much in the last month!
Difference is though that the packers are very talented unlike Everton. They need a coach who knows how to win won't allow a team to crack under pressure
It might sound like sour grapes but the thing that frustrates me most is I have no doubt Green Bay have a have much better team than Chicago.
So to lose twice to them in that manner shows their is something fundamentally wrong with the coaching or the mentality. You have to say Johnson is doing a much better job than Lafleur and you have to ask if anyone could do better with these players. Especially when the injured players are back next season.
So to lose twice to them in that manner shows their is something fundamentally wrong with the coaching or the mentality. You have to say Johnson is doing a much better job than Lafleur and you have to ask if anyone could do better with these players. Especially when the injured players are back next season.
Alan Whittle
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Yep. Conceding 25 points in 15 minutes is nuts. Not sure about Lafleur but I bet he is back next season and NFC N isn't about to get any easier.
Credit to the Bears though. At last they have found a very decent QB and are building a decent unit in front of him.
mightymoyes
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I'm biased but couldn't disagree more.
Think the Bears have more talent on offence and without Parsons the packers defence is just meh.
As for your special teams, it's a disaster.
Well fair but agree to disagree.
Packers have dominated 90% of all 3 games. One with a back up QB. Then they have absolutely choked when it matters. The difference to me has been Johnson v Lafleur rather than the players. Johnson has had to find ways to make up for the talent difference and to his credit he keeps doing it.
Special teams and Green bay is a 15 year problem. Cost rodgers plenty of games and now Love is learning it too.
TheBigIguana
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I think you have to give it another year
TheBigIguana
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This version of the Packers without Parsons isn’t more talented in a real way
The CEO has already said he didn't believe in coaches in their final year and wouldn't have any "lame duck" years.
I would probably move on, but it's not a straightforward answer. I just don't think this team can win big games under him. Bad special teams year on year is also a reflection of coaching as well.
TheBigIguana
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I’d extend him. Everyone is floating John Harbaugh for every spot but that’s hilarious to me. That’s the answer to the problem of losing playoff games in infuriating ways?
They wouldn't lose 3 or 4 games a season solely due to special teams if Harbaugh was the coach. I could get on board with that to be honest. Sometimes a change is needed.
It's not just losing play off games in infuriating ways. Its across the whole season
Lost to Cleveland on a blocked field goal
Tied with Dallas and had an extra point returned for a 2 point conversion to Dallas.
Lost by 3 to Philly with multiple missed FGs
Lost to Carolina by 3 with a missed FG
Lost to Chicago on a fumbled onside kick
Lost to Chicago with 2 missed FGs and a missed XP
And never forget the loss to the niners on a blocked punt when Jimmy G could hardly complete a pass. Even the niners loss in Love's first season, they had missed kicks.
This is not a one off with Lafleur teams, this is the trend.
TheBigIguana
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Yes John Harbaugh also does this. You’ll just replace the special teams errors with turnovers.
The other piece of it is how much are you going to lose from a schematic perspective on offense? I thought this season was infuriating to watch but they still finished 6th in offensive efficiency by DVOA. Is the downgrade there going to be worth it? I’d argue almost certainly not.
They are lots of good offensive minds out there. Lafleur is one of them, but he is a bad situational coach and that holds back his teams. His teams are ill disciplined and crack under pressure.
Green Bay have a quarterback, and that's the biggest thing. And they have Parsons on defence. When you have that there are lots of coaches you can hire who will do well.
TheBigIguana
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Sure but who are you going to get right now that brings that level of offensive coaching to the table?
I don’t love him in game either. The special teams stuff is wild but is that also him? Is he the one who keeps thinking McManus is a good idea or does the FO take more responsibility there?
I just think there are more questions than answers. I’d want to see what one more year of his offense hopefully with Parsons and better health generally looks like.