NFL 2022 Season

[Tree13]

Mahomes is in fact the top 1 in NFL history if you look at the stats.

Lol top 6 of the current group. The Chiefs OL is average - Mahomes generally makes his own time via movement. Also never said it was a short to medium attack - it’s a genuine medium range attack - he wouldn’t be neck and neck with Allen in YPP if it was.

The 2 best qbs in the league are Mahomes and Allen - both went to schools without talent and have learnt to make viable targets of average players.

The only outlier is Reid who I accept is a genius. But even he didn’t have this kind of success with Alex Smith, so it’s likely 65/35 in favour of Mahomes in terms of being responsible for 4 AFCCG in a row. And 2 super bowl appearances.

Couple things:

Chiefs O-line is not average.

Kelce is not average.

Any QB with just 1 superbowl ring has no business being called "the best in NFL history". Steve Young, Joe Montana, Tom Brady and several others from different eras all PROVEN better.

As for YPP - take out the YAC for all receivers, for each QB. See what happens to the stats.

PS look at Tyreek Hill's yardage this season with Miami. He's on track for 2000 receiving yards. Nearly 25% better than his best season with Mahomes.

 

[Prevenger17]

There's an argument that Kelce is the best TE in the league

Lol, is there an argument? Kelce is 10000% the best TE in the league

 

[Prevenger17]

Mahomes is in fact the top 1 in NFL history if you look at the stats

 

[Tree13]

Lol, is there an argument? Kelce is 10000% the best TE in the league

Apparently he's "average" according to our resident expert.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Fair enough

 

[Kev The Rat]

Couple things:

Chiefs O-line is not average.

Kelce is not average.

Any QB with just 1 superbowl ring has no business being called "the best in NFL history". Steve Young, Joe Montana, Tom Brady and several others from different eras all PROVEN better.

As for YPP - take out the YAC for all receivers, for each QB. See what happens to the stats.

PS look at Tyreek Hill's yardage this season with Miami. He's on track for 2000 receiving yards. Nearly 25% better than his best season with Mahomes.

Hill is apparently on track for record targets as well. don’t forget that.

Mahomes first based on most wins in games played to this point, first in passing yards and in first passer rating

@Prevenger17 makes the point about Brady which stands up in terms sheer dominance over a long time I can’t see Mahomes getting near his Super Bowls.

Could he get 3 or 4 - I think so - and if the other stats hold up he beats everyone else

 

[Prevenger17]

Apparently he's "average" according to our resident expert.

Well, the only argument to be had is if he is the best TE of all time or not

 

[Kev The Rat]

Apparently he's "average" according to our resident expert.

Where did I say he was ‘average’??

 

[mightymoyes]

Lets see what happens eh? You shouldn't really cripple an already struggling team, no matter what. It's more the fact of what they got in return (ridiculously low pics) as to why I think it was so bad - for what they got for Smith and Quinn, and getting Claypool would be the equivalent of Man City selling Haarland for about 20million and paying someone 25 million for Oumar Niasse to replace him.

absolutely ridiculous comparison, would city be letting haaland go on a free transfer in the summer?
they were getting nothing for them in 9 games time.

 

[Tree13]

Where did I say he was ‘average’??

"Mahomes makes viable targets out of average players" - your words, not mine.

In actuality, Hill and Kelce made Mahomes look better than he is.

Hill is already achieving MORE in Miami than he did in Kansas City - how on earth can that be explained as him being "average" and Mahomes somehow raising him up??

Kelce, a TE, is the primary target for Mahomes. The stats prove it. And why wouldn't he be? Everyone on here is telling you the same thing: Kelce's elite. JSS is a really good WR2 and continues to deliver as such because Kelce draws all the coverages. The rest of the KC receivers are average in every way... Exactly the type of player you suggest Mahomes "improves". Except the stats prove that he doesn't improve them at all, even in his nice easy division.

But sure, Mahomes is better than Brady, Montana, Elway, Young, etc etc. Ok mate. Let's see if he gets a second ring before Kelce retires - he certainly won't get one after the best receiving TE in the NFL leaves the KC roster.

 

[Kev The Rat]

"Mahomes makes viable targets out of average players" - your words, not mine.

In actuality, Hill and Kelce made Mahomes look better than he is.

Hill is already achieving MORE in Miami than he did in Kansas City - how on earth can that be explained as him being "average" and Mahomes somehow raising him up??

Kelce, a TE, is the primary target for Mahomes. The stats prove it. And why wouldn't he be? Everyone on here is telling you the same thing: Kelce's elite. JSS is a really good WR2 and continues to deliver as such because Kelce draws all the coverages. The rest of the KC receivers are average in every way... Exactly the type of player you suggest Mahomes "improves". Except the stats prove that he doesn't improve them at all.

But sure Mahomes is better than Brady, Montana, Elway, Young, etc etc. Ok mate.

Certainly Juju, MVS, Hardman all average. And they are suddenly weapons to be reckoned with.

I didnt specifically mention Kelce or Hill did I?

OK about Brady, but Elway, Montana, Young? Sure. Look at his skill set for one. Leaves those 3 in the dust. Bear in mind in the 49ers case most of their glory years came pre-free agency which meant dynasty building was easy. Rice is the greatest player to play the game for example.

Just explain to me your bizarre logic here because I am not sure even you understand it yourself....

Kelce is not Kelce but Hill.

Who is Kelce then?

 

[Prevenger17]

OK about Brady, but Elway, Montana, Young? Sure. Look at his skill set for one.

Kev, are you saying that Mahomes has already proven himself to be a better quarterback than Joe Montana?

I'm not saying that he might not be in the future, but that is defo an enormous jumping of the gun

 

[Tree13]

Certainly Juju, MVS, Hardman all average. And they are suddenly weapons to be reckoned with.

I didnt specifically mention Kelce or Hill did I?

OK about Brady, but Elway, Montana, Young? Sure. Look at his skill set for one. Leaves those 3 in the dust. Bear in mind in the 49ers case most of their glory years came pre-free agency which meant dynasty building was easy. Rice is the greatest player to play the game for example.

Just explain to me your bizarre logic here because I am not sure even you understand it yourself....

Kelce is not Kelce but Hill.

Who is Kelce then?

So now Mahomes makes viable targets out of average players, except when he doesn't? Which conveniently excludes Kelce and Hill (because they aren't average), and also excludes all the other receivers if you just examine their stats.

JSS isn't "average", btw, he's an upper bracket WR2. You're paying him as exactly that, he's producing at that level.

Kelce has gone from the 2nd most targeted KC receiver in 2021 to the first most targeted in 2022. His catches, yards and scores have all increased by exactly the same interval : 2nd on the KC roster in 2021 to 1st in 2022. He has replaced Hill, who was 1st in all those categories. It's really, really simple.

It must hurt to see Hill doing better in Miami. I get it.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Kev, are you saying that Mahomes has already proven himself to be a better quarterback than Joe Montana?

I'm not saying that he might not be in the future, but that is defo an enormous jumping of the gun

in terms of wins, passing yards, touchdown passer rating to this point, he demonstrably is.

Thats without considering the obvious massive physical skill set gap between the 2.

 

[Kev The Rat]

So now Mahomes makes viable targets out of average players, except when he doesn't? Which conveniently excludes Kelce and Hill (because they aren't average), and also excludes all the other receivers if you just examine their stats.

JSS isn't "average", btw, he's an upper bracket WR2. You're paying him as exactly that, he's producing at that level.

Kelce has gone from the 2nd most targeted KC receiver in 2021 to the first most targeted in 2022. His catches, yards and scores have all increased by exactly the same interval : 2nd on the KC roster in 2021 to 1st in 2022. He has replaced Hill, who was 1st in all those categories. It's really, really simple.

It must hurt to see Hill doing better in Miami. I get it.

it might hurt if the Chiefs werent motoring as per usual. But they are.

Ill ask again if Kelce is Hill, who is Kelce?