Neymar is CRAP.

[Allezfan]

Corinthians. They beat some random Jap and Arabian teams and then Chelsea, who also lost to QPR at home. Guess that means QPR are world class.

There's a difference between losing a cup final and losing a league game, like.

 

[Brennan]

There's a difference between losing a cup final and losing a league game, like.

I'd say winning a Prem game at home when you're trying to re-qualify for the Champions League is just as important as winning the World Club Cup.

 

[Allezfan]

I'd say winning a Prem game at home when you're trying to re-qualify for the Champions League is just as important as winning the World Club Cup.

The fact is there is only one competition that both european clubs and brazilians clubs can enter and a brazilian club is the current champion. It's not as weak a league as people make out.

 

[Azzurri]

Come on.

The World Club Cup is comparible to the Zenith Data Systems.

 

[Brennan]

The fact is there is only one competition that both european clubs and brazilians clubs can enter and a brazilian club is the current champion. It's not as weak a league as people make out.

Mate, that's completely illogical.

Just because one team out of an entire league wins a competition against one European side doesn't mean the whole league, or even the team, are all that.

It's a whole different ballgame playing to top level standard throughout a whole season, anybody who watches the Brazilian league will tell you the defending is absolutely abysmal. Corinthians winning a knock out with Japanese and Arabian teams doesn't change that.

 

[Brennan]

Come on.

The World Club Cup is comparible to the Zenith Data Systems.

It's like saying Bradford are World class.

 

[Allezfan]

Come on.

The World Club Cup is comparible to the Zenith Data Systems.

That's what people always say when they lose.

 

[Allezfan]

Mate, that's completely illogical.

Just because one team out of an entire league wins a competition against one European side doesn't mean the whole league, or even the team, are all that.

It's a whole different ballgame playing to top level standard throughout a whole season, anybody who watches the Brazilian league will tell you the defending is absolutely abysmal. Corinthians winning a knock out with Japanese and Arabian teams doesn't change that.

The majority of the 2002 world cup and 2004 copa america side which won those tournaments were home based. If the brazilian league was that weak brazilian based players would struggle at international tournaments and they largely don't.

And Brazilian sides wouldn't beat european sides more often than not at the world club cup. It's not a single result, it's a patern.

 

[Brennan]

The majority of the 2002 world cup and 2004 copa america side which won those tournaments were home based. If the brazilian league was that weak brazilian based players would struggle at international tournaments and they largely don't.

And Brazilian sides wouldn't beat european sides more often than not at the world club cup. It's not a single result, it's a patern.

Greece won the Euros not too long ago.

Was the Greek league proper boss then ?

You cannot get the strength of an entire league from the performance of the national team in major tournaments. By that logic the Premier League is worse than the Brazilian league.

The Brazilian league is gash, that's why people have been telling Neymar he needs to move and prove himself for yonks.

 

[Brennan]

[video=youtube;fT1hFG2Cmas]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT1hFG2Cmas[/video]

Lol...

 

[Allezfan]

Greece won the Euros not too long ago.

Was the Greek league proper boss then ?

You cannot get the strength of an entire league from the performance of the national team in major tournaments. By that logic the Premier League is worse than the Brazilian league.

The Brazilian league is gash, that's why people have been telling Neymar he needs to move and prove himself for yonks.

Only one time at the club world cup has a european side beat a brazilian side in six attempts. How many times does it have to happen before it stops being a freak result?

 

[Brennan]

Only one time at the club world cup has a european side beat a brazilian side in six attempts. How many times does it have to happen before it stops being a freak result?

I still don't see how that's relevant, Chelsea themselves had to deny that they weren't even interested in the tournament, which shows how little regard is generally shown for it. Unless you watch the Brazilian league every week then you have no ground to disagree with statements like this:

The example of Petkovic illustrates the pitfall. At his advanced age, he is one of the top playmakers in Brazilian football. Even in his prime, he was unable to make such a mark in Europe. It has become relatively easy to build up a reputation in domestic South American football. The pace of the game is slower, there is more time and space available and, especially in Brazil, referees give fouls for the slightest contact.Ganso and Neymar are being told that they are footballing phenomena. Yet when they make the move to Europe, they are likely to experience their own kind of "reality shock".
That is certainly what happened to Robinho. When he was first making his name with Santos, he kept being told he was a genius. One pundit, the former World Cup striker Casagrande, used to argue that he was going to be better than Diego Maradona. It was just a matter of time before he received the Fifa World Player of the Year award.
But in European club football, the game is faster, the standard is higher and going to ground does not automatically gain a free kick. Making his mark at the top level has proved much harder than Robinho was lead to believe.

From people whose job it is to watch it.

 

[Allezfan]

I still don't see how that's relevant, Chelsea themselves had to deny that they weren't even interested in the tournament, which shows how little regard is generally shown for it. Unless you watch the Brazilian league every week then you have no ground to disagree with statements like this:



From people whose job it is to watch it.

Robinho is your example of the poor standard of the brazilian league? The robinho who was so highly rated at real madrid that city spent 33 million on him and who won both the italian and spanish leagues?

Yep, that lad struggled with the step up, big time.

 

[Brennan]

Robinho is your example of the poor standard of the brazilian league? The robinho who was so highly rated at real madrid that city spent 33 million on him and who won both the italian and spanish leagues?

Yep, that lad struggled with the step up, big time.

The Olympic final against Mexico was another in a recent sequence of big matches where Neymar has been nullified by canny defences closing him down. This is not necessarily a cause for alarm. Learning to overcome such challenges is a normal part of a young player's development. But in order to learn he must come up against his demon on a regular basis, and here lies the problem.Brazilian club defences tend to lie very deep, meaning there is space on the field for the likes of Neymar to pick up possession and build up acceleration. Referees are quick to blow for fouls and there is a cultural tolerance of diving.
Figueirense last Thursday are perhaps an unfair example - they are not bottom of the table for nothing - but their defending was so appallingly bad that the thought that this was something of a hollow triumph may even have flickered across Neymar's mind.

The other article was published in 2010, and regardless you missed the point. Robinho was seen as being the next Maradona, then when he went to a much higher standard that was not the case. The same will most likely happen with Neymar. Do you watch the Brazilian league on a regular basis ? I'm guessing no.

 

[Allezfan]

The other article was published in 2010, and regardless you missed the point. Robinho was seen as being the next Maradona, then when he went to a much higher standard that was not the case. The same will most likely happen with Neymar. Do you watch the Brazilian league on a regular basis ? I'm guessing no.

And no player in a top league has been overhyped?

Robinho was one of the best players in the brazilian league but he still didn't win that many trophies so it wasn't like he was unstoppable and he's continued to be one of the best players in every other league he's been in.

And neymar's brazil still came runners up in the olympics. It's not like they couldn't compete with players from european leagues at all. Brazilian based players have been proving they can in the world cup for decades.