New Manager

[Dymak]

it would be more direct if you said "I agree with the managerial decisions of the past 5 years." New manager, poor fit, fire him, interim. Rinse, repeat. No wonder we've been running in place

Fair enough mate, I guess we should be going for one of them managers that can guarantee success instead.

I've been against the appointment of Silva from day one by the way, as he's a Watford reject and a relegation specialist. But Moyes is a much better manager than Marco Silva. In fact, he's the best Everton manager of this millennium by some considerable distance.

I wouldn't have a breakdown or consider it 'embarrassing' if he was brought in to stop the rot whilst we go about finding one of those managers that are guaranteed to bring success!

I find losing to be embarrassing. I find scoring a total of six goals by the middle of October to be embarrassing. I find the appointment of Marco frigging Silva to far more embarrassing than the appointment of David Moyes.

 

[DickRitchie214]

Fair enough mate, I guess we should be going for one of them managers that can guarantee success instead.

I've been against the appointment of Silva from day one by the way, as he's a Watford reject and a relegation specialist. But Moyes is a much better manager than Marco Silva. In fact, he's the best Everton manager of this millennium by some considerable distance.

I wouldn't have a breakdown or consider it 'embarrassing' if he was brought in to stop the rot whilst we go about finding one of those managers that are guaranteed to bring success!

I find losing to be embarrassing. I find scoring a total of six goals by the middle of October to be embarrassing. I find the appointment of Marco frigging Silva to far more embarrassing than the appointment of David Moyes.

snark aside, how many of them are there? 5 in the world?

we are a club that HAS to try to find a diamond in the rough. but what you can't do is keep doing the same thing that hasn't worked in many a year. Continuing to do so just preserves the situation of new manager with none of the players he chose. It's a perpetual(ly bad) cycle

 

[Dymak]

snark aside, how many of them are there? 5 in the world?

Exactly. The truth is that Moshiri was bending over backwards in an attempt to bring in Silva after Koeman's sacking, as he was seen as being a young 'progressive' manager etc, but we ended up with Fat Sam, which was classed as 'embarrassing' and led to a shed load of melodrama.

The truth is that Moshiri would have taken us down if he'd employed Silva after Koeman, and the appointment of Fat Sam is actually the only thing that Moshiri has got right so far.

By all means we should be ambitious, but we also need to be realistic and deal with the problem at hand, which is currently an inability to score, defend, and win football games.

 

[DickRitchie214]

Exactly. The truth is that Moshiri was bending over backwards in an attempt to bring in Silva after Koeman's sacking, as he was seen as being a young 'progressive' manager etc, but we ended up with Fat Sam, which was classed as 'embarrassing' and led to a shed load of melodrama.

The truth is that Moshiri would have taken us down if he'd employed Silva after Koeman, and the appointment of Fat Sam is actually the only thing that Moshiri has got right so far.

By all means we should be ambitious, but we also need to be realistic and deal with the problem at hand, which is currently an inability to score, defend, and win football games.

completely agreed, I'm just not sure a caretaker solution is going to solve that. I'd like to be wrong just as I'd like Silva to wake up in order to succeed and push the club forward

 

[Viennablue]

Liverpool was in a "down" phase that year, and 6th place was still 9 off 5th. Essentially, he did exactly what everyone does, helped us be "best of the rest"

he hasn't been relevant in 10 years

I didn’t mention league position. How does Liverpool being in a “down phase” affect the amount of points we got?

The OP suggested that Moyes went stale in his final few years with us. I was merely stating that in his final season he got us his joint 2nd highest points total to argue against that suggestion.

Again, not saying I’d want Moyes back, I don’t, but a lot of mistruths are being spoken. In my opinion he did well to get us 4th, 5th twice and 6th twice on the transfer budget and wage budget we had.

Perhaps you think the quality of that 04-05 team should’ve finished higher than 4th? I don’t know. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

To go back to the original point I would say that the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons were hard going. This could suggest he went a bit stale as it was towards the end of his Everton years. However, I would argue that the problem there could be that we spent no money in either summer window.

Moyes often got us to a certain level, and then was hamstrung by poor budgets, meaning he was unable to progress us further. A key player would then be sold, he would rebuild the side with these funds, get us to a certain level again, not have the funds, have to sell a key player, and repeat...

 

[BiggyRat]

Can never have too many 'Manager' threads can we?

 

[BernieH]

Moyes? Again, he doesn't work for the club yet has numerous threads, do people know something i don't?

 

[ilikecheese]

Mods...I know you have a lot to weed though.

That said when threads like this are made, it seems like merging makes sense.

 

[Hibbo]

 

[dandydan]

great, another relegation alarmist 9 matches into the season. hey we're only 7 points off 7th place! woo hoo

Are we playing like a 7th place team though?

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

great, another relegation alarmist 9 matches into the season. hey we're only 7 points off 7th place! woo hoo

Hardly an alarmist mate. 18th place. Stubborn manager. Players lacking form/ability. Crap formation. Fans turning. Yet another year of mediocrity. On paper, the easiest start of the season. Teams above us seemingly have more grit, determination and desire to grind out a result. You say 9 matches. That's a quarter of the season mate.

How can you not be worried about this! Your glass must be so full it continually over tops.....you must use lots of kitchen roll to dry off your surfaces. This is bad for the environment . Sort yourself out.

 

[Papa Shango]

Can never have too many 'Manager' threads can we?

We can use it for the next manager after Silva in about a years time.

 

[bullybeef]

As most Evertonians are forced to live in the 1980’s what about a real throw back to that era...

Big Ron Atkinson.

 

[Papa Shango]

As most Evertonians are forced to live in the 1980’s what about a real throw back to that era...

Big Ron Atkinson.

Knows the area....

 

[Goat]

As most Evertonians are forced to live in the 1980’s what about a real throw back to that era...

Big Ron Atkinson.

Good shout this, local fella, knows the area, which seemed to be a plus for people with Rafael, we could certainly do worse.