New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium


davek said:
He deals with the issues of the day facing Everton and the big decisions needed.

His questioning of the calibre and decision making of the hierarchy at Everton should be applauded because, after all, they are a complete set of spanners.
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To be fair it wasn't long ago he was taking Moshiri hard and deep, metaphorically of course, and all his new found pessimism stinks of sour grapes from being cut out the loop.
 
Market trader said:
The Esk seems to give the impression that World Heritage Status is optional and can be decided by the Council and Peel. Obviously, it is not. The government is under legal obligations to identify, protect, preserve all of its sites granted World Heritage Status. It really doesn't matter what Peel and The Council think or want. All planning applications for the area have to be agreed by Historic England, and if it doesn't agree, which it wouldn't if UNESCO had reservations, it advises the Secretary Of State for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport who will use his powers to call in the application and set up a public inquiry.

I have wondered whether UNESCO were concerned when they saw that image of the stadium as a bowl on the docks, lit up in blue, with Everton down the side. That would probably not be suitable, in their view. What would they prefer? I don't know. (Perhaps, a rectangular building as the facade and a brick or stone style finish vaguely reminiscent of a warehouse? It would fit in but not be very inspiring, but the interior could be quite different.)
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Heard it's mainly made of brick, with brick and glass at the front, let's wait and see.
 
wainy said:
To be fair it wasn't long ago he was taking Moshiri hard and deep, metaphorically of course, and all his new found pessimism stinks of sour grapes from being cut out the loop.
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He was never in the loop, he's a self serving ill guessing moron.

Makes educated guesses to manipulate our fan base, some people on here make out they get sense out of his jargon to try and come across as sophisticated .
 

wainy said:
To be fair it wasn't long ago he was taking Moshiri hard and deep, metaphorically of course, and all his new found pessimism stinks of sour grapes from being cut out the loop.
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People who learn from mistakes are ok by me. Who hasn't made a mistake?

His view has changed with the facts that have piled up. Not so much on Moshiri as the unimpressive regime he's put together.
 
Market trader said:
The Esk seems to give the impression that World Heritage Status is optional and can be decided by the Council and Peel. Obviously, it is not. The government is under legal obligations to identify, protect, preserve all of its sites granted World Heritage Status. It really doesn't matter what Peel and The Council think or want. All planning applications for the area have to be agreed by Historic England, and if it doesn't agree, which it wouldn't if UNESCO had reservations, it advises the Secretary Of State for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport who will use his powers to call in the application and set up a public inquiry.
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Given the money to be invested in the area, the government may well blast through even if it did become a problem. Just a bridge being built in Dresden was enough to get them off the list. Liverpool wouldn't be the first and wouldn't be the last to lose the status. If you try your best to design the development sympathetic to the surroundings and history (something that the Dresden bridge fell foul of) and they still kick up fuss then you can't say you haven't tried.

It's that or you just leave the docks as a museum piece and developers will look to places like Salford keys to build on, taking money and jobs away from Liverpool.

The esk is right that all stakeholders should sit down with UNESCO and agree with them what is deemed acceptable. If there isn't a clear answer and it is a sort of that might be OK but we need to see it first, then LCC/Peel/Everton should decide between them is it worth designing to UNESCO standards or just build whatever they want and lose the status but bring in maximum investment and jobs.
 

There’s a multi-storey car park on the waterfront next to malmaison. May have been built before heritage status. But damn ugly. If this didn’t stop us from getting or retaining UNESCO whs then the stadium is going to have to be an absolute ‘carbuncle’, even next to the sewage plant to threaten that. It’s jusy a load of self interested, self appointed apparatchiks trying to justify their wages and status and importance. But it does give the justification for many to moan. Tell them to do one. UNESCO would probably have moaned about the Beatles making a racket and destroying the mortar in our buildings. They would definitely have moaned about the spot from the ships in the docks destroying them. On yer bike
 
Market trader said:
The Esk seems to give the impression that World Heritage Status is optional and can be decided by the Council and Peel. Obviously, it is not. The government is under legal obligations to identify, protect, preserve all of its sites granted World Heritage Status. It really doesn't matter what Peel and The Council think or want. All planning applications for the area have to be agreed by Historic England, and if it doesn't agree, which it wouldn't if UNESCO had reservations, it advises the Secretary Of State for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport who will use his powers to call in the application and set up a public inquiry.

I have wondered whether UNESCO were concerned when they saw that image of the stadium as a bowl on the docks, lit up in blue, with Everton down the side. That would probably not be suitable, in their view. What would they prefer? I don't know. (Perhaps, a rectangular building as the facade and a brick or stone style finish vaguely reminiscent of a warehouse? It would fit in but not be very inspiring, but the interior could be quite different.)
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A quick read of the Historic England web pages confirms that WHS does not impose any additional statutory controls over and above the national and local planning framework. So, whilst great weight should be given to the significance of the WHS designation it is not an overriding consideration.

The main concerns expressed by Unesco seem to be based on the integrity of the dock structures and ensuring that any new development does not dominate the setting around them. On the face of it these concerns would count heavily against any notion of infilling the docks for new development, and yet the stadium proposals have been encouraged by the City Council, which leads me to conclude that BMD is not considered to be one of the more valuable elements of the WHS.
 
I am simplistic in my views but to me I would put side by side the importance. Dock side transition bringing possibly thousands of jobs and future investment or stick with WHS and admire a decaying docks and is no use to anyone. The future of the City is more important than a reminder of the decaying past.
 

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