New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[rstevens]

Be a lot sooner than that

I dunno, If they haven't even figured out what the stadium size is, means they haven't even done the architectural drawings.

If they haven't done the architectural drawings, it means they haven't employed the other disciplines needed to even take the job out to tender and properly cost the job.

That excuse would be the worst, Brexit would be a legitimate reason.

The fact the club are doing surveys even now, is f**** embarrassing, they are so far behind where they should be.

and a 3D image coming out doesn't cut it either ( and They haven't even done that or decided on the shape!) , I could knock up one in a couple of days of just a pretty image with no substance.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Ah the mythical 10000 people on the waiting list, same one liverpool fans cry out about.

In reality their are thousands of people who put their name down, only to not take one when giving the opportunity..

If their was such a demand, we wouldn't be having to sell half season tickets.

If fact we also average around 1000 below full capacity Don't we?

I'm watching you.

 

[rstevens]

I'm watching you.

Er ok?

 

[orly]

I'm watching you.

you leave Rachel Stevens alone

 

[IV(AC)]

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Any one else get one?
The times are all ridiculous (granted a lot will be off bank holiday- not me) only one is after work time, despite this- not a chance in hell I'd get back before 7pm. Frustrating- have a few sessions on a weekend.

got one yesterday

 

[Jacko93]

Because they are already on their way to becoming successful, they have a hugely talented young squad, a young manager, They are in London therefore have a huge amount of day trippers to exploit, their fans can "afford" the ticket price rises needed to pay of a stadium, there stadium is far too small already as well.

We have none of that, Infact we need more investment than ever to catch up, how are we gonna be spending the 200+ Million needed to get into the champions league? whilst having Fat sam and the waste of space walsh leading us? all while trying to pay off half a billion of debt.

Arsenal "struggled" competing money wise when they had to pay off their stadium and they where is a far greater position, in a far better area of the country to pay it off. How are we gonna do it?

Like I said, all my arguments would go out of the window, if the club wasn't going to be the one paying it off. but we are. Moshiri isn't.

The spurs stadium has been in development for a decade mate. You don't design a stadium, or any building for that matter for the position you are in now, you build one for where you want to be. We're going to be there for another 100 years. Where do you see Everton in 10 years? 20 years?

What Everton should also have is a view of the larger scale project on the North docks. The transport improvements, if they go as planned will potentially make our stadium among the most accessible in the country, that will go a long way to selling a few more tickets, certainly in the away section, and highly likely for Everton supporters across the country.

IMO, showing ambition isn't building to the best of what we can do now, ambition is building to the best of what we feel we can be. For me, it needs to be ~60k, not as a statement to the rest of the Premier League, but as a statement to me that my ambitions as a 20+ years STH and the ambitions of the club I support are still aligned. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

Everybody has their own reason for what they feel will suit us, and we'll find out in due course what the reasons for Everton are.

Just as an aside, I can appreciate Everton trying to include the supporters in the process, but most supporters know jack all about any of the processes involved. I'm not sure the capacity question should ever have been asked in the survey, your just asking for trouble.

 

[Jacko93]

I dunno, If they haven't even figured out what the stadium size is, means they haven't even done the architectural drawings.

If they haven't done the architectural drawings, it means they haven't employed the other disciplines needed to even take the job out to tender and properly cost the job.

That excuse would be the worst, Brexit would be a legitimate reason.

The fact the club are doing surveys even now, is f**** embarrassing, they are so far behind where they should be.

and a 3D image coming out doesn't cut it either ( and They haven't even done that or decided on the shape!) , I could knock up one in a couple of days of just a pretty image with no substance.

Everything you say here is wrong mate, sorry.

 

[joey_macmo]

Bit of a weird thing to say that mate. I'm very enthusiastic, I just think the idea of people saying we need a stadium with a 50% increase to capacity to be a little bit weird. It's no skin off my nose if we build a 60k, 70k, 150k stadium, I'm simply putting forward my belief that we wouldn't necessarily find it as easy to attract an extra 20k fans as some people seem to suggest. Think that's the kind of thing the forum was designed for but I might be wrong.

The assumption that you confidently state is true wasn't true for City, who are probably the closest comparison for us in terms of geography and fan demographics. For 4-5 years they were averaging about 5k under capacity in a 47k stadium, at one point even going below a 40k average. The attendances picked up once they started winning stuff, which I've absolutely no doubt ours would if we ever managed to do such a thing.

Man City increased their attendance by just under 40% when they moved so yes it is true.

Now they are at a level 60% above their Maine Road levels less than 15 years after moving & need yer another costly expansion. Future proofing is very important when you consider expanding a stadium is a lot more costly than building it initially.

You’re right in the sense City are a good example but not in the way you think.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Ah the mythical 10000 people on the waiting list, same one liverpool fans cry out about.

In reality their are thousands of people who put their name down, only to not take one when giving the opportunity..

If their was such a demand, we wouldn't be having to sell half season tickets.

If fact we also average around 1000 below full capacity Don't we?

Ah the half season ticket jibe.. I wonder which set of people are obsessed with this?

We sell out 99% of our games but because of the away support being poor, there are often hundreds of empty seats in the away section, even when we have sold an extra 1,200 that the away team can't sell. That is why our numbers are down. In terms of % of the home section sold we are therefore more often than not at over 100% because we have to sell 1,200 of the away allocation to our home support when the away club can't sell it out.

I think with all the talk of what the capacity should be, and examples of clubs building too big, we should take a glance over the Park at Anfield. Expanded to 54K yet are 900 short on average.

 

[Frang]

west hams massive new ground has worked out well.

they would of been better knocking upton park down and building a 50k stadium there.

id rather have an intimate ground, that generates lots of noise than a lavish 62k pad 3/4 full and full of tourists eating popcorn trying to make the numbers up.

thats what west ham want too now theyve moved

 

[Frang]

you leave Rachel Stevens alone

pics mate? x

 

[Lanolin]

Man City increased their attendance by just under 40% when they moved so yes it is true.

Now they are at a level 60% above their Maine Road levels less than 15 years after moving & need yer another costly expansion. Future proofing is very important when you consider expanding a stadium is a lot more costly than building it initially.

You’re right in the sense City are a good example but not in the way you think.

They went up by almost 40% in the first year yes. By the fourth year the difference was down to 15%. That was the point I was trying to make initially, that the idea that people suddenly develop this new passion for going to the game is just not really true. City 'lost' 7,000 of their new fans because they weren't very good. The simple truth is that no matter how shiny your stadium, and how good the sightlines are, if you're not very good on the pitch people won't turn up.

As I said initially, I know loads of people who claim they'd go to games if x,y, and z but then they don't. They're effectively glory hunters, if we were winning they'd be all over it but they don't want to go and watch us play Swansea on a Wednesday night in December. There's loads of people on the waiting list for season tickets, but how many of them go on stubhub and buy a £20 ticket when they get chance? Not as many as you might think I reckon.

Once again, i'm not saying 60k is too big or that we could never ever fill it. I'm just pointing out that I think people are hugely overestimating the ease of attracting 42,000 ST holders if we're charging £700 to cover costs and are still classing finishing 7th as a good season. I totally get the future proofing argument and it's a very valid point, I just think some people are only looking at it one way (because they want us to look ambitious) without really taking into account the things which don't support their view.

 

[blueblue]

Man City increased their attendance by just under 40% when they moved so yes it is true.

Now they are at a level 60% above their Maine Road levels less than 15 years after moving & need yer another costly expansion. Future proofing is very important when you consider expanding a stadium is a lot more costly than building it initially.

You’re right in the sense City are a good example but not in the way you think.

City have gone from being a generally unsuccessful club over a long period of time to a European super power in a just a few short seasons. They were always going to get a huge lift in support with the players they were signing and the money they were spending. I don't think any club could use them as an example.

 

[Kever10]

Global brand they are. What are City trying to do at the moment create one to compete.

While you’re suggesting we accept we aren’t one and carry on as we are. Sadly fans like you are the real reason we haven’t won a pot in 20 years.

Of course its my fault. Me and other fans who try to look at things realistically and say that a leap from 39,500 to 61,878 is probably more than required, it's our fault we haven't won a trophy, not the players or managers who have bottled the big games. It's our fault for being realistic on forums.

Luckily, we have fans like you as well, who don't accept it, and of course you are the reason why we have won trophies.

Wait...

 

[Yarrgh]

How long before we hear 'Stadium Plans put on hold due to escalating costs'?

This week or next?

In a few years. Probably. I'd get nervous towards the end of 2019 if we don't hear much before then.