windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
Every time there are poor signings posters come on here and start subdividing the signings by the staff members they have decided, without any evidence at all, they were signed by. The pro-Moyes faction, you, will claim that the signings that have failed were not "Moyes signings", e.g Dibling, whereas the successful signings, e.g. KDH and Grealish, were signed with input from Moyes. I'm going to guess that you also think Barry and Rohl were not "Moyes signings" and that Aznou wasn't, but as he played well at the weekend maybe he was.
It happened under Dyche, it happened under Lampard, it even happened under Benitez.
It will happen with whoever the next manager is.
It is the definition of illogical.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
Once again the people paying for the tickets are the ones getting the stick instead of the ones being paid by the club.
Again, where have I claimed ?
It was an opinion.
I wouldn't go and by a bounty and than have issues because it contains coconut..
As much as we like butting heads, there is not much leg room in this one.
Opinion, not claiming a fact..
So can we get some money for our awful squad please Mr Friedkin?
Look at Villa, performing well in the league and actively looking to invest in their squad to push on and cement a Champions League place.
Everton within touching distance of fifth which could also get Champions League, but we don't even have a real right back or genuine strikers in the squad, never mind trying to strengthen it and actually challenge for Europe.
It's really quite embarrassing.
Everton within touching distance of fifth which could also get Champions League, but we don't even have a real right back or genuine strikers in the squad, never mind trying to strengthen it and actually challenge for Europe.
It's really quite embarrassing.
Ray Purchase
Player Valuation: £10m
Things could have been so much worse.
The 777 Partners finance scandal involves co-founder Josh Wander and CFO Damien Alfalla being charged in October 2025 with a $500 million fraud scheme, allegedly using fake documents and double-pledging assets to deceive lenders and investors in their complex sports and airline empire, leading to financial instability, lawsuits, and the collapse of airlines like Bonza, all while failing to buy Everton FC. The scheme allegedly involved misleading investors about the firm's health to secure funding, resembling a "house of cards," and resulted in regulatory action from the SEC and criminal charges.
The 777 Partners finance scandal involves co-founder Josh Wander and CFO Damien Alfalla being charged in October 2025 with a $500 million fraud scheme, allegedly using fake documents and double-pledging assets to deceive lenders and investors in their complex sports and airline empire, leading to financial instability, lawsuits, and the collapse of airlines like Bonza, all while failing to buy Everton FC. The scheme allegedly involved misleading investors about the firm's health to secure funding, resembling a "house of cards," and resulted in regulatory action from the SEC and criminal charges.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
Because they want to compete and be a bigger club than what they are. I wouldn’t be surprised if they win one of the domestic cups or Europa league in the next two seasons.
We don’t have that mentality, the club plays on the emotions of some of the fan base, always worst case scenarios, playing on the fear of relegation battles. It’s why there’s always a narrative about stability and “being saved”. It’s really monotonous.
Hinchcliffe's Corner
Player Valuation: £50m
Can't see Barry scoring there.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
I understand it's an opinion, I'm pointing out that your opinion isn't based on any evidence and that I doubt the honesty behind the opinion.
As for your Bounty metaphor, I would suggest that you are claiming that Moyes asked for a Bounty but instead the CEO of the company he works for decided to force feed him shredded coconut with a funnel like a foie gras goose. I simply pointed out that that seems like an illogical conclusion.
100%.
Getting a good right back and a good striker NOW could easily propel us into Europe next season and completely change the fortunes of the club and finally put us on the right track. We're not talking about a £80m or something gamble here — although tbf this was tried and miserably failed in the summer and we need to suffer the consequences of yet another gigantic cock-up for probably the next 3 years.
Alas, it's just another case of "January isn't the right time" (although it somehow is exactly the right time for many other clubs) and "We're still in a rebuilding process" (without signing anybody) or "This wasn't going to be a quick fix" (then why not use the available transfer windows?) and "We shouldn't set our expectations too high after the last few years fighting relegation" (despite recently promoted teams like Forest already playing in Europe and Villa going for the title despite being in the Championship just a few years ago).
The excuses are kin pathetic.
nonstripdzebra
Player Valuation: £1.5m
If we were in even the conference league this season I think a relegation battle could very well have been a possibility. I don't think your sentiment is wrong and frankly Moyes present focus decision making does make me a little nervous in the sense that its not all that immediately aspirational but also could set us up for a tough transition once he eventually goes.
That said Villa have more quality depth and maybe most of all value propositions in the market. They have already improved the squad by having players people want, and diversifying transfer returns over a broader set of positions. They also though are playing a delicate dance in regards to funds. If Emery left or if the results start to dramatically dip I think the club could be in freefall considering their outlay and the tightness of margins to which they are doing business. But all that was started by having players people wanted.
For us to get there I think the club has to embrace more possible value propositions in their transfers oppose to immediacy. And personally ideally a more holistic club structure than they currently are running. Moyes has offered steady hands in an unsteady transition both financially and culturally, but I see the likes of Frank's struggles at Spurs, the revolving door at United and I do worry we could fall for a similar cycle of issues if we keep making decisions solely for Moyes's MO, after he leaves. An issue that has plagued us for a decade the first time he left.
I see the internal confidence and belief of Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford backrooms and how they seamlessly transition from player and manager turnover and considering how the Moshiri years looked, am envious. Regardless of our bigger stature, at some point I think the Friedkin's will have to build a club model and structure that superseed's a single managerial vision.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
It does happen though, and it’s fairly obvious at times too.
Like Carlo clearly pushed for Allan and Rodriguez, but wouldn’t have been the one pushing Godfrey.
Benitez clearly wanted Rondon and Townsend, but I doubt he’d seen much of Mykolenko.
The manager will sign off on all players, but they won’t all be ones they have pushed for.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
I suppose my point is that all signings will have to at least get a pass from the manager and saying that all of the signings that fail are DoF/board/the CEO/the Chairman signings and that all of the successful ones are manager signings is, at best, disingenuous and at worst straight up lies. It's politicking. As far as I'm concerned, particularly in a model with no DoF, the manager has to own all of the signings that rock up at the club, the good ones and the bad ones.
Understood it under a DOF model. Not anymore.
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