Neville Southall is the undisputed king of Twitter

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Owen Jones is a terrible opinion-writer: reactionary, tribal and plain illogical. The Left are sorely missing good writers (John Harris excepted).

The stick OJ gets in some quarters is unreal. That being said you are right that there is a real lack of clarity and quality.

As for Southall, I don't really get people slagging him. He's trying to do his best for things he feels are important. Oddly I have no issue with the adult babies lot. The pro "sex work" (pro pimping in reality) and TRA's he gives a platform too are a far bigger issue.
 
You're a better writer than Jones, mate...honestly. If you have time you could write more in our Current Affairs subforum, clear-headed analysis is always welcome.

Thanks mate! I hope so anyway. I'm not a fan of Jones. It's the wrong topic but basically he had a good approach around the time of chavs (talk about inequality in a broad way beyond the confines of acceptability of the left). He then made this turn, that rather than battle against orthodoxy of the left, embraced it and that was his undoing.
 
Nevs a fruit loop that's part of his charm and man babies are freaks let's have it right but I have no problem with that each to there own if no harm is caused.
 
The stick OJ gets in some quarters is unreal. That being said you are right that there is a real lack of clarity and quality.

As for Southall, I don't really get people slagging him. He's trying to do his best for things he feels are important. Oddly I have no issue with the adult babies lot. The pro "sex work" (pro pimping in reality) and TRA's he gives a platform too are a far bigger issue.

I was really confused why you were defending OJ until I clicked show ignored content.

If the glove dont fit..........................
 

I like him me to be honest, hes great at winding up the tories.

His takedown on that toby young was tremendous yesterday
I can't really understand why anyone supports either the labour party or the tories, Peter Hitchens does a great job of explaining why people shouldn't vote for either, in his book the broken compass. They're both pretty much the same, just with different coloured badges.
 
On the goalkeeping side, the number of times you saw opposition players raising their arms to celebrate a goal, only for Nev to stick a hand out, leaving them open-mouthed at what they had just seen was incredible.

Worth at least 15 points a season in his peak.
 
I can't really understand why anyone supports either the labour party or the tories, Peter Hitchens does a great job of explaining why people shouldn't vote for either, in his book the broken compass. They're both pretty much the same, just with different coloured badges.
Is it an old book? Under Blaire's 'labour' I could entirely agree, but not under Corbyn, which is back in touch with its founding people-centric principles (no matter how much the media try to exaggerateate)
 

Is it an old book? Under Blaire's 'labour' I could entirely agree, but not under Corbyn, which is back in touch with its founding people-centric principles (no matter how much the media try to exaggerateate)
I think it was 2009, but really both parties spend most of the time fighting amongst themselves. I think Brexit revealed that actually neither political party really represents anybody and neither of them were capable of making a sensible as to remain or leave which is why we're in the mess. I'm of the view that both of the parties should die and be replaced with ones that generally reflect the views of their supporters and MPs and we wouldn't have all the civil wars and backstabbing within parties.
 
I think it was 2009, but really both parties spend most of the time fighting amongst themselves. I think Brexit revealed that actually neither political party really represents anybody and neither of them were capable of making a sensible as to remain or leave which is why we're in the mess. I'm of the view that both of the parties should die and be replaced with ones that generally reflect the views of their supporters and MPs and we wouldn't have all the civil wars and backstabbing within parties.
Ok so that is before Corbyn. Like I said, he's made labour very different from the 'Tory-lite' of his predecessors. The backstabbing re brexit is inevitable in any party as it's been a hugely decisive issue nationally. There is very little true representation in the uk, very very little, unless you belong the minority in power and happen to be a brainless, rabid supporter.

I'm with you in that party politics is a waste of time. What's the point of voting for a local representative when if they differ from their party to actually represent an issue, there's a whip system to keep them in line.

The best course of action, sadly, until there's a revolution*, is to choose the least bad route.

*remembers the paramilitary police we've allowed in under project terror, plus the best equipped best trained army in the world - pitchforks anyone?
 
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...yn-labour-conference-john-mcdonnell-politics/

Neville Southall: I want politicians who believe in something, that’s why I like Jeremy Corbyn

Here are some of Big Nev’s thoughts as he prepares to talk at the Labour conference this weekend

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Neville Southall, immortalised in a banner at Everton (Getty Images)
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In the first of a regular column for the i, Neville Southall talks Jeremy Corbyn, Everton, Arsenal and the Labour conference

I’ll start with a confession: I turned 60 last weekend and marked the milestone by falling asleep in front of the Everton game. This Sunday is another big day – not only are Everton playing at Arsenal but I’ll be talking at the Labour conference in Liverpool.

I’m speaking at a fringe event with shadow chancellor John McDonnell and Unite’s general secretary, Len McCluskey. It’s something I couldn’t have done if I’d not become active on social media, but we’ll be taking about all the things we are in trouble with as a country – the NHS, jobs, universal credit, poverty, austerity, Brexit. This is why I joined Unison – the trade unions need to play a bigger part and yet the government are trying to disband the unions, so we need to fight.

I won’t prep for it – my view is if I can’t go and speak about something I feel passionate about, it’s not for me. That’s why I don’t like politicians who use autocues. In the old days they used to get up and meet people and say, ‘This is what I’m going to do, this is how I feel’. It’s why I like Jeremy Corbyn. He sticks to what he believes in, he doesn’t change.

Politics similar to football

Surely that’s better than somebody who bends with the wind. To me it’s like football – you see somebody who’s only just come to the club and they kiss the badge and I think, ‘But you loved that other club five minutes ago’. People liked Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner because they would say what they actually think, but there are lots of people who go into football and politics with their own agenda and it’s not about the team.

You see it with the Tories at the moment with Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Philip Hammond. They’ve all got their own agendas and it’s not necessarily what’s best for the country, it’s about what’s best for them.

There are similarities between football and politics – just look at the Tory party, they’re led by a weak manager and everybody is complaining. Eventually they’ll get rid of the manager because of player power. I’d rather have people who were honest and passionate and believe in what they are doing, whether they’re the right or wrong side.

Look at Brexit – what we’ve voted for originally was complete and utter rubbish and that’s why I think we should have another referendum, where somebody can stand in front of us on TV and say, ‘This is what the deal is’. Right now we’re stood at the top of a cliff and everyone is saying we have to jump and yet we don’t know whether there are crocodiles or mattresses at the bottom, but we’re going to jump because that is democracy. But for me democracy should be that you have a vote when somebody tells you the truth, and they lied about Brexit and the media helped them – the £350m for the NHS, where is that?

Most pundits know nothing about goalkeeping

As for tomorrow’s Everton match, I’ve been looking at Arsenal goalkeeper Petr Cech and wondering, ‘Who has coached him in the past?’ At the moment he looks uncomfortable on the ball, but he can learn. Any goalkeeper, if given time, should be able to pass from 10 or 15 yards, or else they shouldn’t be playing football. But if someone closes you down, you whack it as far as it will go. You don’t do a trick like the Liverpool keeper, Alisson did – and he won’t do that again for a while.

From a goalkeeper’s perspective, though, a lot of the time it depends on your defenders being in the right place – as soon as the ball comes back to you, it’s where they go next and sometimes if they’re having a bad time, they don’t quite get in the right position and don’t really want it, which means you hold on to the ball a little longer and then you get closed down. I played with players who would go and mark somebody or turn their back on you. To his credit, Petr Cech has never refused a ball back to his feet, or turned his back. He might mess the odd one up but there are so many pundits now who know everything yet most of them are useless on goalkeeping – they never played in that position.

I remember the stick Bruce Grobbelaar would get. I went to Anfield a few times just to watch him and what you have to remember is someone can play safe and come for six crosses because they know they can get them, but Bruce came for 100 crosses and dropped a few but because he kept coming and doing it, the amount of goals he saved and amount of pressure he took off Liverpool’s defence was immense. People said, ‘Bruce made this or that mistake’ but he cleared a thousand things. Let’s be honest, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson were great players but not great with their heads and he did most of the work in the air for them. He made more decisions in one game than most goalkeepers in a season.
 
Quality article.
We all laughed at Grobelaar at the time, but at least his defence knew exactly what he was going to do at corners and set pieces and could act accordingly.
Still, he was never a patch on Big Nev.
 

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