Or you maintain a younger tax paying working population sufficient to support services.
Which is what all the anti-migration chumps forget.
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Which is what all the anti-migration chumps forget.
I don’t think migrants would pay enough tax or NI to solve the problem tbh.
If that was the case it wouldn’t have been getting worse since 2010.
You still need to tax people more, imo.
Plus you're studiously ignoring the other point about inequalities.
If you had fewer you'd arguably have less burden on the NHS...
So again, I don't think your focus on older people being the problem is quite fair.
But without their tax take... worse, right?
Not really sure what you mean by this post, particularly the first sentence.
Of course it would be worse, that’s obvious. But additional migrants isn’t going to create enough additional tax revenue to close the funding gap in healthcare.
My first post reolying to you about the effect of health inequalities on ageing populations.
You've just focused on tax from older people.
Basically it's much more complex than taxing old people.
Perhaps I didn't make my point clear - you seem to be arguing that the older population not paying as much tax creates a deficit in tax.
I merely pointed out that maintaining a working age population helps mitigate. Part of this is from migrant workers. Not all of it. Plus i admit I'm making a swipe at some who post in here (not you) who claim migrants 'drain' the NHS.
Perhaps move on from this point of focus lol.
When did I say to tax old people ? You are arguing a stance I never took.
I said “a lot” of the problems are caused by an ageing population and funding not being there to support the health care system. See below:
I believe the NHS and social care needs more funding. I would prefer that to come through taxing higher earners specifically.
Fair enough. I admit I'm responding to your posts whilst trying to deal with the missus moaning about something so I've probably only half digested what you said.
Agreed it needs more funding, but I'd also argue a LOT of the pressures on the NHS happen 'downstream'. I.e. more could be done outside of the NHS to prevent use later on in life. Particularly around health inequalities as an example.
Hope that makes sense?
Something like the land value tax would be useful here as it taxes capital as much as it does income. Obviously retirees have quite a lot of wealth but not much income. There was a piece in the Economist this week about the increasingly raw deal younger generations get compared to Boomers in terms of the public services they get back for their taxes.
Britons in their thirties are stuck in a dark age
Youth is wasted on the young. But wealth is wasted on the old
It's not just higher earners though, is it? Take someone like Pete. Assuming his pub doesn't earn much, I suspect he pays relatively little tax, despite seemingly being pretty wealthy. People in their 60s have, on average, nine times the wealth of the average 30 something, yet their tax take could be much lower.
Distribution of individual total wealth by characteristic in Great Britain - Office for National Statistics
Individual-level results from the seventh round of the Wealth and Assets Survey covering the period April 2018 to March 2020.
www.ons.gov.uk
There's not a politician going taking aim at the biggest voting demographic. Destroy the nhs and make those that can pay do so for their healthcare. Those that can't? oh well, theres winners and losers everywhere right.
Indeed. Young people really do need to vote far more than they do.
I mean it depends on how you class “wealth” really.
Most 60 year olds will of course have a lot more money in their property or savings, but I would imagine that’s largely because they are approaching the age when they will no longer be working and that money has to last them for 2-3 decades.
My parents are probably 9 times more “wealthy” than I am because they have a paid off house and a couple of small pensions, but they live off a modest income and aren’t “flush” with cash.
Unless the plan is to force all older people to sell their homes or draw down on their pensions at an increased rate I’m not sure taxing them would be a viable solution.
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