2023/24 Nathan Patterson

[COYBL25]

He'll start against Forest.

Young will start against Forest, as sadly Dyche sees no wrong in him.

 

[NathDogg]

The whole argument is just bizarre.

We’ve already seen that when Dyche had to swallow his pride and give younger players a chance they can do well and play themselves into form.

He was picking Keane ahead of Branthwaite at the start of the season (mental) but saw the light and sorted it. Branthwaite has probably been our best player aside from the next fella I’m going to mention - who knows what our results early on would have been if Branthwaite started as soon as he was available?

Dyche was playing young at lb ahead of Myko at the start of the season (Slightly more understandable but still mental), saw the light gave Myko minutes and now he’s probably been our best player the last month or so.

Anyone see a pattern emerging here?!?

Patterson shouldn’t have been dropped after the villa cup game - he may have played himself into a bit of form and fitness ( he may not have but he should have been given the opportunity by now) and we wouldn’t be stuck with the shambles that is young and a half fit Coleman being the ones we need to turn to.

Young has don’t absolutely nothing to justify keeping the spot - if Patterson had made some of the mistakes young has I dread to think what would be written on here.

Dyche needs to sort and play Patterson now and give him a chance to show what he can do, but the kids confidence must be goosed after the way the manager has used him.

If it doesn’t work out he can put Coleman in when he’s back fully fit.

 

[COYBL25]

The whole argument is just bizarre.

We’ve already seen that when Dyche had to swallow his pride and give younger players a chance they can do well and play themselves into form.

He was picking Keane ahead of Branthwaite at the start of the season (mental) but saw the light and sorted it. Branthwaite has probably been our best player aside from the next fella I’m going to mention - who knows what our results early on would have been if Branthwaite started as soon as he was available?

Dyche was playing young at lb ahead of Myko at the start of the season (Slightly more understandable but still mental), saw the light gave Myko minutes and now he’s probably been our best player the last month or so.

Anyone see a pattern emerging here?!?

Patterson shouldn’t have been dropped after the villa cup game - he may have played himself into a bit of form and fitness ( he may not have but he should have been given the opportunity by now) and we wouldn’t be stuck with the shambles that is young and a half fit Coleman being the ones we need to turn to.

Young has don’t absolutely nothing to justify keeping the spot - if Patterson had made some of the mistakes young has I dread to think what would be written on here.

Dyche needs to sort and play Patterson now and give him a chance to show what he can do, but the kids confidence must be goosed after the way the manager has used him.

If it doesn’t work out he can put Coleman in when he’s back fully fit.

He doesn`t seem to react until he starts getting called out over a player by the media, Keane being the biggest one.

It`s started happening with Young, especially after the game on Saturday.

 

[NathDogg]

He doesn`t seem to react until he starts getting called out over a player by the media, Keane being the biggest one.

It`s started happening with Young, especially after the game on Saturday.

I think It’s a massive blind spot for him - once he’s set his mind on a player/formation/tactic, that’s it, there’s no changing it, even though the evidence is there for all to see that it isn’t right or working.

Young has been abysmal all season, I was hoping he could do a job for us, but the drop from last season is alarming and could be due to his age - seen it happen before.

The subs are the same, always like for like normally and way too late, like he’s amazed his initial ideas haven’t worked.

I’m not having it that young is totally outperforming Patterson in training at all, he’s certainly not doing that on the matchday pitch.

 

[Marius57]

I think It’s a massive blind spot for him - once he’s set his mind on a player/formation/tactic, that’s it, there’s no changing it, even though the evidence is there for all to see that it isn’t right or working.

Young has been abysmal all season, I was hoping he could do a job for us, but the drop from last season is alarming and could be due to his age - seen it happen before.

The subs are the same, always like for like normally and way too late, like he’s amazed his initial ideas haven’t worked.

I’m not having it that young is totally outperforming Patterson in training at all, he’s certainly not doing that on the matchday pitch.

He has talked about subs. And it’s a mad take that he has on them.

He sets his team up with the ‘best’ players for the tactics he wants to play that game. So barring injury he just sticks with them all game. As if his tactics are infallible.

“If the team is operating in the manner that I think is right, other than fatigue or injury of course, then I don’t tinker too much. My stats and the facts on that have paid me back. I believe in a way of working and unless someone is particularly off-colour, or there might be an injury reason, or just a fatigue reason, I often leave the side alone if I think it is operating in the right way”

 

[davek]

Most modern day fullbacks don't though Dave, they are not taught with the priority to defend they are taught to get the ball up the line as quickly as possible.

Nah. Look at defenders like Walker. They can do both.

We has Baines who could attack very well but defending not as well...but always got back behind the ball at least (turning his back on crosses and not getting near enough to them was his defensive frailty). Positionally whe was sound enough. Coleman has been a good attacker too and a better defender than Baines. His legs are going now but he still does a better all round job than any other FB we have. Digne was good at both elements of the game.

Patterson is spatially unaware. He's just not improved. He has the atributes of a professional player - athleticism, robust in challenges - but his head is not right. He just doesn't anticipate danger in and around our final third. He's no good to us in that state.

No one can deny this lad isn't a defender. It's just blood-mindedness to claim he is or can be.

 

[Curtis]

He has talked about subs. And it’s a mad take that he has on them.

He sets his team up with the ‘best’ players for the tactics he wants to play that game. So barring injury he just sticks with them all game. As if his tactics are infallible.

“If the team is operating in the manner that I think is right, other than fatigue or injury of course, then I don’t tinker too much. My stats and the facts on that have paid me back. I believe in a way of working and unless someone is particularly off-colour, or there might be an injury reason, or just a fatigue reason, I often leave the side alone if I think it is operating in the right way”

That quote explains so much and reinforces his rigidity regarding tactics , I understand the reluctance to change things if you feel your vision is being implemented but even if the game is evenly matched, a tactical tweak could provide an advantage. Just from that quote it tells me he'll never fully evolve as a manager because even moyes who I think is dyche is a lesser version of would occasionally show intiative and foresight making tactical alterations to affect the game rather than be completely reactive. I think that mentality even ties into his obstinacy in playing young constantly, he feels he knows the better than Patterson and even if there's errors eventually his vision will be realized which is madness and ironic since he seems to be wary of younger players because they cause errors lol

 

[davek]

I dont think many are saying Patterson is great but from my point of view he is better than Young and probably around where Coleman is, the difference is Coleman will only get worse and Patterson can only get better, whether he turns out to be a very good FB is anyone's guess but he has everything in his favour to improve.

Bottom line: if we're in this division come the end of the season we need to go out and buy a RB.

 

[Curtis]

Nah. Look at defenders like Walker. They can do both.

We has Baines who could attack very well but defending not as well...but always got back behind the ball at least (turning his back on crosses and not getting near enough to them was his defensive frailty). Positionally whe was sound enough. Coleman has been a good attacker too and a better defender than Baines. His legs are going now but he still does a better all round job than any other FB we have. Digne was good at both elements of the game.

Patterson is spatially unaware. He's just not improved. He has the atributes of a professional player - athleticism, robust in challenges - but his head is not right. He just doesn't anticipate danger in and around our final third. He's no good to us in that state.

No one can deny this lad isn't a defender. It's just blood-mindedness to claim he is or can be.

How many times a day do you think you post in a player thread you absolutely don't rate supposedly on lack of merit ? With it having nothing to do with Patterson's past affiliation to a club you loathe

 

[mahermi1]

The whole argument is just bizarre.

We’ve already seen that when Dyche had to swallow his pride and give younger players a chance they can do well and play themselves into form.

He was picking Keane ahead of Branthwaite at the start of the season (mental) but saw the light and sorted it. Branthwaite has probably been our best player aside from the next fella I’m going to mention - who knows what our results early on would have been if Branthwaite started as soon as he was available?

Dyche was playing young at lb ahead of Myko at the start of the season (Slightly more understandable but still mental), saw the light gave Myko minutes and now he’s probably been our best player the last month or so.

Anyone see a pattern emerging here?!?

Patterson shouldn’t have been dropped after the villa cup game - he may have played himself into a bit of form and fitness ( he may not have but he should have been given the opportunity by now) and we wouldn’t be stuck with the shambles that is young and a half fit Coleman being the ones we need to turn to.

Young has don’t absolutely nothing to justify keeping the spot - if Patterson had made some of the mistakes young has I dread to think what would be written on here.

Dyche needs to sort and play Patterson now and give him a chance to show what he can do, but the kids confidence must be goosed after the way the manager has used him.

If it doesn’t work out he can put Coleman in when he’s back fully fit.

A pattern ? Hope Dyche plays Young at centre forward next game, DCL hatrick the week after.

 

[blue in oxford]

need to start playing him will learn quicker in games than on training pitch
defo a good player in there

 

[Zatara]

That's nonsense and always has been. I see a player who just cant play at the top level. Why on earth should it be my responsibility to point out to to others (which I have anyway btw) why he's not up to it, and why 4 Everton managers have thought that too...people who see our players every day?

You cant tell me why he is up to a starting place other than to say "Young is hopeless".

The solution is at hand now in any case. Coleman back in and hopefully to the end of the season.

"4 Everton managers"

Erm, Sean Dyche.

 

[Zatara]

Ferguson was hardly an Everton manager was he though, only a caretaker for a few games. In any case surely Ferguson's opinion wouldn't matter to you., if it didn't try to give some substance to your odd statement. What was it you called Ferguson? Useless and big galoot come to mind as two of your regular remarks about him, cone layer would be another, you really were scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to use Ferguson to justify your post.

Don't get me wrong Dave, i'm by no means convinced by Patterson, he definitely has a mistake in him, but, he is far less of a liability than Young. Young is absolutely finished at this level, his game has disintegrated this season at an alarming rate, the only comparable deterioration I have seen was Neville in his last season at Utd. At least he had the self awareness to realise he could no longer do it and he retired rather than keep on embarrassing himself.

I dont often say this but the first part made me chuckle.

Youve nailed it (him) good and proper

 

[Curtis]

I wonder who is advising Dyche into continously playing ashley young despite how dreadful he's been?

"Dont play the boy Patterson his positional awareness is atrocious"

 

[Toffeepot]

Nah. Look at defenders like Walker. They can do both.

We has Baines who could attack very well but defending not as well...but always got back behind the ball at least (turning his back on crosses and not getting near enough to them was his defensive frailty). Positionally whe was sound enough. Coleman has been a good attacker too and a better defender than Baines. His legs are going now but he still does a better all round job than any other FB we have. Digne was good at both elements of the game.

Patterson is spatially unaware. He's just not improved. He has the atributes of a professional player - athleticism, robust in challenges - but his head is not right. He just doesn't anticipate danger in and around our final third. He's no good to us in that state.

No one can deny this lad isn't a defender. It's just blood-mindedness to claim he is or can be.

So now we're comparing our young FB to the starting FB for the treble winners and best team in the world are we? Bold Nathan, bold, for not being at that standard yet. Now you never get a chance to prove yourself. Bold

Young has proven enough times that he is not a positive in our defence. Coleman hasn't even played a minute since last season in the first team and may not have much left in the tank. We all saw he was reaching deep given the dire straights the team was in post Patterson injury and he's another year older post serious injury.

If Patterson can play against Mbappe for Scotland he can play for Everton, it's that simple, and so what if he makes the odd mistake, at least he has a better chance of recovering from it. We don't have Walker btw