Mulling Over Morgan Boos

[deipnosophist]

He reminds me a little of a French soldier...

 

[Azzurri]

I don't and never have booed one of our players - I don't understand how folks believe this can help a player to get over any problem he has.

He certainly has under-performed and is lucky to still be at the club, but boo one of our players - never!

I would have made an exception if we had signed Barton, but that is a personal dislike of him, nothing to do with any performance he may or may not have made.

Well I, and a lot of others, have a personal dislike of Schneiderlin. So that makes sense.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

As others have stated, I'd never boo someone like Cuco.

Schneids deserves all the boos he gets

It really is that simple

 

[marcus]

Don't agree with booing a player in a blue shirt....

Just does not feel right & could not bring myself to do it....

Although the message has been well & truly received....

It will be interesting how Schneidelein reacts to this recent critisism....

Will he be positive & play for his place...or will he ask to leave....

Either way it will determine his character & ambition at Everton...

 

[bobafro]

What's the goal though?
Are the boos supposed to influence Sam's team selection? - They won't
Are the boos supposed to motivate Schneiderlin into playing better? - They won't

It's pretty much just a punitive act.

It's the only way people feel like they're able to punish the millionaire that they don't think is putting in the required amount of effort for the club they love. Completely understand the drive to want to boo him, just don't think it achieves anything except a hostile atmosphere for our own players.

In fact, in the immediate aftermath of the substitution - the whole team started playing incredibly nervously (resulting in that scramble in the box that lead to the penalty).

I'm not for one second blaming the booing for the goal, but I just don't understand the logic in making the job more difficult (even if only slightly) for our team just so you can vent a bit of anger/frustration at a player.

 

[riddick]

For all those saying "how is it going to make him better?", simple retort: how is it going to make him worse?

I just don't understand the idea you can't boo a player even is if they've been as terrible as Schneiderlein. How ELSE are they to know their performances and attitude is completely unacceptable? What, is he going yo log on to GOT and read his thread? Grumbling with a few mates over a pint hours later doesn't affect ANYTHING. At least this way he, and hopefully loads others, know what the people who pay a ton of money think of him.

 

[Toffeelover]

Players who aren't the most talented in the world (step forward Cuco Martina) will always frustrate me hugely, but if they do their best it really is all you can ask until a better player with similar attitude is available to replace them.

There is a special place in hell reserved for players like Morgan Schneiderlin. He is a talented enough player, easily has the ability and attributes to be playing every week for us (as was demonstrated by his performances last year), but he is perhaps the first player we've had since Nyarko who visibly is not trying his best and there is no forgiving that.

In a season of awful, awful form for many players, he stands out as having been the worst. That in itself would not be a problem if it weren't for the palpable lack of effort that has accompanied those performances. On top of that, in the midst of the turmoil that we were in earlier in the season, there was that incident with Mirallas - Mirallas subsequently apologised for his part in it. Schneiderlin did not. Further to that, perhaps less-well-known, but let me assure you that it happened - during our home game against Atalanta where we were getting a hammering, Schneiderlin sat in the stand, hysterically laughing. When confronted by a fan and asked if he actually cared, the fan was met with a shrug.

I can't and won't forgive Schneiderlin. Even if he turns into the 2nd coming of Vieira for the next 11 games I want him gone at the end of this season. Everton Football Club should never, ever accommodate players with the potential to behave as Morgan Schendiderlin has done. I didn't boo him last weekend (although I was sorely tempted) but to say he was treated harshly by the fans is testicles of the highest order. Schneiderlin deserved every single decibel of the reception he got and while the idea of booing a player in an Everton shirt before he'd even set foot on the pitch troubled me slightly, I was pleased that it would become clear to Allardyce, Schneiderlin and the wider footballing world just how furious we are at his dereliction of duty

 

[canuckblue]

Not a single pie to be seen

Rooney ate 'em all.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Booing any player wont help the situation , I understand the fans frustration , but booing isn't really the answer.

 

[Toffeelover]

It is not just his performances but that biz with Unsy does it for as well. Is this guy there to play footie and help us win or just to pick up the pay packet?

 

[bobafro]

For all those saying "how is it going to make him better?", simple retort: how is it going to make him worse?

I just don't understand the idea you can't boo a player even is if they've been as terrible as Schneiderlein. How ELSE are they to know their performances and attitude is completely unacceptable? What, is he going yo log on to GOT and read his thread? Grumbling with a few mates over a pint hours later doesn't affect ANYTHING. At least this way he, and hopefully loads others, know what the people who pay a ton of money think of him.

Well everyone seems to accept that when the crowd create a positive atmosphere - that bleeds through to the players and team (12th man etc). Not sure how someone can hold this to be true while denying that doing the opposite will have a negative affect - especially when directed at individual players.

 

[ricer10]

Think a decent portion of those booooo's were for the fact at 3-0 up our manager wasn't bringing on our Turkish saviour !
TBH .... I doubt Schneids even cares that he is being booed ! He seems to care little about other things such as effort and attitude. the club etc. why would some jeers affect him. Easily my least favorite Everton player....but we'll see next match. I'd expect Sam to start him with us being away from home If he doesn't put in a shift at his next opportunity ...he never will.

 

[IllinoisBlue]

I think the boos for Schneiderlin were the fans saying ' we are on to you and your lazy attitude - you need to put some effort in'..... He is probably not hearing that from Big Sam. He needed to hear it from someone and he did.

 

[mkrudden]

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Mulling Over Morgan Boos

Saturday and Everton win at Goodison Park. Following a humbling at the Emirates the boys regrouped and delivered what was needed to send Crystal Palace back to the capital pointless. Our record signing scored, Niasse continued to defy logic, while local boy Tom Davies received a much needed confidence boost with a goal and solid display.

Yet, most of the talk has been about certain under-performing Frenchman being greeted by a chorus of boos from the Goodison faithful when he entered proceedings.

Morgan Schneiderlin, one of many who have failed to live up to their promise this season, was treated as though he was part of the opposition rather than a Toffee as he replaced Idrissa Gana Gueye in the second half.

All over various social media channels there has been the great debate. Blues chastising Blues over the boos, while others defending their right to boo as they see fit. Big Sam has expressed his ‘surprise’ over the treatment of Schneiderlin, while ex-Toffee Michael Ball feels it was wrong.



My gut instinct would be to agree with our former left-back and Echo columnist. You don’t want to see your own players receiving the treatment normally reserved for referees and opposing players.

But this is not as simple as ‘yes it is right’ or ‘no it is wrong’ and, for me, you need to look at the player himself, the season we have had and the frustration of the fans.

This season was supposed to be the one. We were finally awake and ready to put the plans in place for reclaiming our rightful place as one of the leading forces in English football. Not many would have expected a league title, but an assault on the top four, decent run in Europe and maybe even a domestic final wouldn’t have been too much to ask for, would it?



Yet, we have had disappointment followed by disaster. Changing managers, gutless performances, all on the back of a huge spending spree. Mosh’s millions have been there, but seemingly with no direction. Players have been bought, not played or used out of position. Areas that desperately needed strengthening have not, while others over loaded. (I mean how many number 10s do we actually need!)

Then there is the man himself. Mr Schneiderlin. A gifted footballer so pivotal to Southampton’s endeavours Manchester United saw fit to pay almost £27m for his services.

A change in manager saw the former Saint slip down the Red Devils’ pecking order which paved the way for a 2017 move down the East Lancs Road to Goodison. I was buzzing! At last we were signing players of the calibre befitting of a club like Everton.

And for the first few months he justified that. Helping Everton finish seventh and qualify for Europe. His assured displays, reading of the game and incisive passing perfectly complimented the tenacious Gana.

This season has been a different story. Not just for Morgan, he is not alone in disappointing the crowd. But the problem for him is his talent and attitude.

You take Niasse. Never will he go down as a Goodison great but a positive attitude, humility and the never-say-die method of play has secured him a special place in Everton hearts. He never stops running and his gratitude of playing for our great club is similar to that of the also limited, but no less loved, Denis Stracqualursi.

At this moment in time, the heady days of the 1980s are a long way away. Growing up and supporting my club in the decade after was tough, but I always respected effort and commitment, even if a player had little else to offer.

Schneiderlin has more to offer and, this season, has decided not to. His half-hearted attempts at closing down against Arsenal was a sad and all too frequent occurrence of what the crowd has come to expect from the 28-year-old.

Not one player has been more criticised this campaign than Cuco Martina. Yet the full back has earned both praise and respect (from some quarters at least) for his 100% per cent commitment and attitude. Tom Davies, the next big thing? Massively overrated? You decide. But attitude and commitment, never in question.

So to sum up, I will not sit here and criticise any fan for booing a player, nor will I be joining the booing brigade, as that is not me.

But, Mr Schneiderlin, you brought it on yourself!

Firstly, a really nicely drafted article mate.

Secondly, I disagree just because I think you've missed an obvious mitigating factor.

Just to confirm, I am not advocate of Morgan Schneiderlin or his performances. He has been poor all season and shouldn't be in the first 11.

The obvious issue though is his confidence. And despite many not caring about this or wanting dismissing it because of the pay check he takes home, Morgan Schneiderlin is a human being. He is therefore at risk - like we all are - of spates of anxiety or confidence issues.

There is a very good chance Morgan Schneiderlin doesn't like to look crap. There is a good chance he'd like to be seen in the same light as he was last season. He may not care. He may be spineless and a mercenary, wanting to take as much money from the club as possible, not caring whether he is booed from the crowd or not. "Sod them" he might be thinking. I think it's safe to say the odds are heavily stacked against such but without the player providing an update to the press release he gave in December, it's probably not reasonable to speculate:

My only thing is to show them on the pitch that I'm 100 per cent focused. I can assure everyone that I am focused, that I'm just thinking about Everton and to improve the results and myself everyday."

Ey, he may be lying. But it's a huge step for anyone to say, without being in the person's head: you're a liar.

So let's assume he does care. And this is confidence. Is that fair at his age? Well age is largely irrelevant if it's the first experience. Schneiderlin has had an upward trajectory for years and even his move from Utd didn't seem too much of downwards step given the progress of Everton and the stagnation, seemingly, of Utd.

Whose job is it to get him moving again? The manager? Which of them? All 3?
What about consistency of playing? Tactics? Formation? Partner? It's hard to go back to basics if this means one of a dozen things dependent on all these factors named.
What about some time away from the pitch. On the bench perhaps? That's not his decision.
He could work harder. Well yes he could but that is also easier said than done when in his mind he's probably thinking, "I should stick to what I know". What he knows is gliding around the pitch, making interceptions behind a snapping and snarling Gana Gueye.

Could he do more? Certainly.
Is this a confidence issue? I am almost as certain.

So with a greater context being considered, the question remains. Is booing a player going to help someone rediscover his form? Is he going to come away from that experience thinking "i'll show them.". Maybe. But maybe not.

Finally, does that mean that if he isn't spurred into form from being abused by his own fans, at home, in a game where we are 3-0 up, should we just bin him off? Again, maybe. But few can deny a Schneiderlin of last season would be useful. Efforts of booing would be better spent on encouraging.

Because, I thought anyway, standing together as the "chosen ones" is what made us Evertonians.

In any event, it certainly isn't a case of "Mr Schneiderlin, you brought it on yourself!"

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Depends really doesn't it?

If he decides he wants to play then he could try and mend some fences with the supporters

Let's face it, if there was some form of contrition from him I think a lot of our fan base would give him another chance

Think the problem is though Mikey, he's had plenty of chances to put a shift/performance in, but it's the same gash, not arsed display every week from him.

Also, I've said it before mate, I really reckon that his attitude is he thinks he's too good for us.