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[BNJ1878]

I know I get that just wish other things was in place first the state we’re in kind of ruins the prospect of a new ground as good as it looks, just be nice to see some decent football

So....... We should put the new stadium on hold until we see some nice football at Goodison?

Odd.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So....... We should put the new stadium on hold until we see some nice football at Goodison?

Odd.

And due to the stadium being a multi year project no guarantees you are good by the time you put a shovel in the ground, get to half way and so on.

I just don't understand the train of thought that some have, we are lagging behind other clubs because we didn't evolve or invest to keep up.

 

[kiss the crest]

Yes a new stadium was needed to get in line with modern day football but what I’m saying is it doesn’t bother/excite me the prospect of a new stadium if we’re the same crap club playing on different grass with different surroundings all the same if the boards pathetic attempt at running a business and players not fit to wear the shirt with however many more managers we’re going to go through plus young players wanting to move on, ie Gordon although I was happy he went price moving on price leaving maybe not good enough anyway who knows smalls went and I have a feeling branthwaite will be gone in the summer too.

What the new stadium does give us is new opportunities and will open new doors that don't exist at Goodison

 

[Marius57]

Mad in here.

Needed a new stadium for 2 decades. But nah, we don’t play good football so we should just stay in a falling apart at the seams goodison.

What a take.

 

[Moggers]

Mad in here.

Needed a new stadium for 2 decades. But nah, we don’t play good football so we should just stay in a falling apart at the seams goodison.

What a take.

Indeed. We were going to move house this year ourselves, but unless the kids both win the egg and spoon race on sports day in June, we are going to put it on hold for a bit.

 

[Bob Elstone]

Stadium is a game changer.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Stadium is a game changer.

I don't think it will be. Lots of teams have moved stadium and gone backwards. This was the first year Arsenal have been in contention for a title since they moved to the Emirates and you wouldn't have believed that 20 years ago

 

[Tom Hughes]

Yes, we all want new and better facilities. However it is a balancing act and any debt has to be sustainable, otherwise it can readily become a white elephant and scupper us even quicker than living with poor facilities.

We've had scattergun economics with our on-pitch dealings/decisions that has been disastrous and as a result have FFP breathing down our necks. Now we also have an already very expensive stadium project, that according to Moshiri has cost-inflated by 50%. The original financial strategy collapsed into "bank of daddy" only, with the then projected debt "seemingly" only sustainable due to an apparently limitless "bank of grand-daddy" USM naming rights deal. Without that, there must be a massive shortfall. I'm more than happy to be corrected if anyone has seen figures/projections that show otherwise. Let's be honest, the uncontrolled money-no-object approach hasn't served us well so far.

So, I think it's fair for some people to still question the whole sustainability..... especially given the disastrous state of the club due to the quality of all other decision-making to date.

Of course beyond that, there is the whole "new stadium effect" that can hopefully elevate our value to help facilitate new owners/investors coming in to absorb that debt..... which is what we are seeing being played out now (before it is even complete). However, that may all still be as dangerous and as speculative a thin line as our current league position.

In my opinion, the whole future of our club has been wildly gambled with. Let's hope it pays off.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I don't think it will be. Lots of teams have moved stadium and gone backwards. This was the first year Arsenal have been in contention for a title since they moved to the Emirates and you wouldn't have believed that 20 years ago

If you look at that through another viewpoint, the really good team that they had were naturally breaking up. It was Wenger's decision to not invest heavily until the stadium was paid off. Even if they had, they'd have found it difficult to compete against Chelsea and United and then City came along with Klopp's RS. They've won what 4 FA Cups in that time so it's not like they've had a drought.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If you look at that through another viewpoint, the really good team that they had were naturally breaking up. It was Wenger's decision to not invest heavily until the stadium was paid off. Even if they had, they'd have found it difficult to compete against Chelsea and United and then City came along with Klopp's RS. They've won what 4 FA Cups in that time so it's not like they've had a drought.

I'm not massively in favour of moving stadium, some of it is heart over head stuff because I love Goodison. But whether we can actually afford this stadium is a big question and a fair question.

If we go down and have all these stadium costs then I have no idea how we can remain competitive and try and get out of the championship. If we stay up, then where is the money to overhaul this unbalanced and sub-standard squad. Without structural changes at the top of the club and an overhaul of the squad, even if we are lucky enough to stay up on Sunday, it will still happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Indeed. We were going to move house this year ourselves, but unless the kids both win the egg and spoon race on sports day in June, we are going to put it on hold for a bit.

Do you think that's a strong analogy...? Are your kids paying the mortgage? Is there major prize money in the egg and spoon race? If so, put my name down!

 

[Dublin blue 75]

I'm not massively in favour of moving stadium, some of it is heart over head stuff because I love Goodison. But whether we can actually afford this stadium is a big question and a fair question.

If we go down and have all these stadium costs then I have no idea how we can remain competitive and try and get out of the championship. If we stay up, then where is the money to overhaul this unbalanced and sub-standard squad. Without structural changes at the top of the club and an overhaul of the squad, even if we are lucky enough to stay up on Sunday, it will still happen sooner rather than later.

Valid concerns. Assuming we stay up, this squad will invariably lose at least one of Pickford, Onana or DCL, it’s an annual exercise in keeping the wolf from the door at this stage.

Sooner or later the incremental death by a thousand cuts to the squad will overwhelm. If new ownership comes in shortly then we need very thoughtful squad renewal over the coming 2 months.

One hopes a shortlist and strategy in that respect is ready and awaiting funding. Cough.

 

[Blue peter]

We absolutely need a new stadium without question but the sorting of the stadium 20 years beyond when we should have sorted the stadium issue has coincided with one of the worst periods in our history. Regardless of whether we go down or stay up, when we do move, I suspect it will be analogous to people that have large houses, but who do not have the financial resources to upkeep or decorate the house. Afterall great players should adorn Bramley-Moore but for the first few years I suspect they will be the opposition’s players.

 

[st.domingo]

I don't think it will be. Lots of teams have moved stadium and gone backwards. This was the first year Arsenal have been in contention for a title since they moved to the Emirates and you wouldn't have believed that 20 years ago

Arsène Wenger says hi

 

[Moggers]

Do you think that's a strong analogy...? Are your kids paying the mortgage? Is there major prize money in the egg and spoon race? If so, put my name down!

Yep my kids pay the mortgage, so it's an effing amazing analogy.

Seriously though, Tom, look we all get you wanted us to stay at Goodison until there was one brick standing due to lack of redevelopment options, you have told us enough in the New Stadium discussion thread.

I prefer more of risk / reward strategy now however, this current 'let's live in the 70's and wait for something to happen' is tiresome now for me, its do or die.

I feel we NEED this new stadium to have any chance of progressing, so as you put it....

"In my opinion, the whole future of our club has been wildly gambled with. Let's hope it pays off." - Yep, sign me up for that please. Let's hope MSP / future investors help us to achieve that with the risk mitigated.