Moyes Watch @ Real Sociedad

[sageyefc]

Once again, why hire a manager if you're not going to give him time? They were in the relegation zone and had sold all their best players. What did they expect? The sad truth is that at any other club Martinez would have been fired last season as well. Moyes may well have been fired in 2003/4. You have to give them at least 3 seasons in my view. Firing managers after months, especially when you're coming from a backdrop of relegation is absurd.

Real arent some poxy little club, theyre used to certain expectations and moyes has failed miserably

 

[kithnou]

Some of those aren't bad jobs. Far better for him to bring up a big club rather than just do survival mode somewhere like Villa or Newcastle. Reviving a Blackburn or Leeds or Forest would look good on the CV. Equally I could see Swansea going for him if Monk gets the boot.

What has he done since leaving Everton to make you come up with that statement?
For me he will be just another "recycled dross British Manager" in the Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce mode. Good luck to the man.

 

[kithnou]

Once again, why hire a manager if you're not going to give him time? They were in the relegation zone and had sold all their best players. What did they expect? The sad truth is that at any other club Martinez would have been fired last season as well. Moyes may well have been fired in 2003/4. You have to give them at least 3 seasons in my view. Firing managers after months, especially when you're coming from a backdrop of relegation is absurd.

I agree with that. Has he been fired?

 

[Saint Domingo]

What has he done since leaving Everton to make you come up with that statement?
For me he will be just another "recycled dross British Manager" in the Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce mode. Good luck to the man.

Swansea have hired Rodgers (completely washed up), Laudrup (completely unproven), and Monk (no experience, an ex player). I doubt their chairman would think it preposterous to appoint a manager who knows the league inside out.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Real arent some poxy little club, theyre used to certain expectations and moyes has failed miserably

You could say the same about Everton but for some reason we give underperforming managers time and then they get better, magic isn't it. Do you think Moyes deserved not even one full season?

 

[sageyefc]

You could say the same about Everton but for some reason we give underperforming managers time and then they get better, magic isn't it. Do you think Moyes deserved not even one full season?

Lets have it right though we are one of the only clubs in all the big domestic leagues that give managers time, we're a break from the norm like that. Pretty much everywhere else you arent afforded that, so its their perogegetive whether to sack him or not.

His so so performances were excused last year because he'd just come in and was saying he needed a preseason etc, this year results have continued to be bad and apparently the football is utterly atrosius, if there's absolutely no sign of things getting better then there's no wonder theyre gonna give him the push

 

[sageyefc]

Swansea have hired Rodgers (completely washed up), Laudrup (completely unproven), and Monk (no experience, an ex player). I doubt their chairman would think it preposterous to appoint a manager who knows the league inside out.

They like a certain style of manager though, and would they pay the wage moyes asks for

 

[Saint Domingo]

They like a certain style of manager though, and would they pay the wage moyes asks for

Moyes will not be bothered about money. He will want a way back into the game. Huw Jenkins will not give two stuffs about the style of play if he thinks for a second that he's in danger of losing a slice of the tv money next season. Also the rest of the football world doesn't necessarily subscribe to Davek's football dinosaur point of view so maybe Huw remembers Everton's team between 06-10 regularly qualifying for Europe and reaching cup semi finals playing some really good football with players Moyes bought for low prices and developed into premier league stars. Or maybe Moyes is a football idiot and it was all a massive fluke with the last 15 moths of his career wiping out everything that came before that?

 

[Lewisefc92]

I think he will end up at Celtic, which is a piss poor team to take charge of.

 

[sageyefc]

Moyes will not be bothered about money. He will want a way back into the game. Huw Jenkins will not give two stuffs about the style of play if he thinks for a second that he's in danger of losing a slice of the tv money next season. Also the rest of the football world doesn't necessarily subscribe to Davek's football dinosaur point of view so maybe Huw remembers Everton's team between 06-10 regularly qualifying for Europe and reaching cup semi finals playing some really good football with players Moyes bought for low prices and developed into premier league stars. Or maybe Moyes is a football idiot and it was all a massive fluke with the last 15 moths of his career wiping out everything that came before that?

Short memories in football, youre only as good as your last job in many eyes

 

[Bungle]

Can't believe some of the stuff I've read about Moyes in the last few pages, proper bitter small time knobheads. He served us well, rightly moved on to a bigger job, fair enough he made some ill judged comments about us once he left and acted a bit of a tit but let's not re-write history and pretend he did anything other than a superb job for us.

Embarrassing.

 

[Ashtonian]

Moyes is a bedrock man, not a progression man.

Moyes can do all sorts to a team, from organising to developing a playing style to get results. He did it for years with us and his work after he left was fantastic bar the youth set up. When it came to progressing, changing things to take the next step, he failed at that. Case and point was playing fellaini in cahill's role, didn't know what else to do so stuck another player in the same position and hoped for the best.

My point is, the club has to be right for moyes a lot more than some people realise. Swansea are not the right club for him, they have everything in place, they just need a manager to stick it on autopilot and make sure it doesn't fall off the track. Villa would have been ideal, but as GOT put earlier they rejected him, Newcastle would be ideal,sunderland ideal etc. He needs a club that allows him to graft for a year or two and go from there, to establish them.

I'd actually agree with the allardice comparisons to be honest. As much as sam is steriotyped into one type of football, give him better players (west ham last year, bolton with the okochas etc) and they play better football. they don't progress from the pack but they do change, and moyes was no different in that regard. The day Moyes wins a trophy is the day sam allardice gets the england job.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

You could say the same about Everton but for some reason we give underperforming managers time and then they get better, magic isn't it. Do you think Moyes deserved not even one full season?

It's a cliche, but when the players aren't playing for you that is hard to come back from - which is apparently the case with Sociedad at he moment. Given he'll have no friends in the media or other support network there, it's even harder.

Martinez did well to recover last season tbh - couple of games around Christmas time the team definitely stopped playing for him, some totally abject performances. Don't think I've ever seen a bigger gap in ability and actual performance level from an Everton side, actually. Very concerning trajectory was developing but he managed to arrest that and get them playing (a bit).

 

[Ashtonian]

It's a cliche, but when the players aren't playing for you that is hard to come back from - which is apparently the case with Sociedad at he moment. Given he'll have no friends in the media or other support network there, it's even harder.

Martinez did well to recover last season tbh - couple of games around Christmas time the team definitely stopped playing for him, some totally abject performances. Don't think I've ever seen a bigger gap in ability and actual performance level from an Everton side, actually. Very concerning trajectory was developing but he managed to arrest that and get them playing (a bit).

Fundamentally the players didn't want to play his style of football. No matter how much you try to coach them into it, if they don't want to play defensive then they won't and it will cost you your job.

Same thing at united, why the hell should the champions be holding out for a win vs some mid table team when sir alex would have them finishing them off instead? You can talk about transfers all you want but if the players were playing better before the manager change, to the tune of winning the league, then when some trophyless manager takes over and goes against their philosophy then the reaction will always be negative.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Moyes was a good manager, not a great one, but a good one, he gave us some dignity back after the torrid time we had been through, so obviously he deserves a lot credit for that, don't forget though, we made him one of the highest paid managers in Europe to do that job.

Saying all that though, I'm not going to lie, but I had a huge grin on my face hearing he'd been sacked.