Donald Twain
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Moyes Watch @ Real Sociedad
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sageyefc
Player Valuation: £90m
Get fierce, finish him
dandydan
Player Valuation: £40m
@mitchell1996 has a point. Moyes left our club in a far better state than what he found it.
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**adopts Tyson beaten girl voice. 'Can't do it'
sageyefc
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Don't think anyone disputes that
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After 50 years you'd hope so.
dandydan
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I see a lot of people saying he held us back in his last years, I think he took us forward a lot more.
2002 was very different than 2015. Whether 2015 David Moyes can do for some bottom half PL team what 2002 David Moyes did for us is the question.
I think Moyes is a bit old-hat, a ship lost at sea. At Everton he had a chance to really build something and stabilized it well enough that it could take care of itself with a few tweaks - assuming taking care of itself meant not progressing or regressing.
I would seriously question whether to hire him in the new money era of the Prem. He may be able to get a team like Sunderland out of the relegation zone, but I have trouble seeing him build them up as much as he built us up - there are more teams (and more money) in the way these days.
Both are true. Doesn't mean he is a great manager, or would be a good manager for us again - he stagnated.
sageyefc
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TBH i think his mentality did hold his teams back at times during his time here and always stopped us going that little bit further in the cups or big games
harris78
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I think people need to remember also that in the second season with us, we were lucky not to be relegated under Moyes. No way Moyes would have lasted the season if at any other club, meaning he would never have gotten the chance to 'stabilize us as a club' for the following seven or so seasons. He would have just been any other Malky Mackay/Paul Jewell/Ian Holloway scraping around for a new job mid championship.
Ta ra Dave, Hope you enjoyed your extended holiday in Spain,now its time to come back and manage the likes of QPR etc.
Ta ra Dave, Hope you enjoyed your extended holiday in Spain,now its time to come back and manage the likes of QPR etc.
Since I have been watching Everton we have had 9 full time managers in my opinion I would rate them as follows:
1 Kendall
2 Catterick
3 Royle
4 Bingham
5 Lee
6 Moyes
7 Harvey
8 Smith
People may disagree with that order and I know managers all have worked under different circumstances but thats the way I see ,I would not ever want to see Moyes back to me he is mid table manager who lacks a winners mentality.Martinez can only be judged when he has gone.
1 Kendall
2 Catterick
3 Royle
4 Bingham
5 Lee
6 Moyes
7 Harvey
8 Smith
People may disagree with that order and I know managers all have worked under different circumstances but thats the way I see ,I would not ever want to see Moyes back to me he is mid table manager who lacks a winners mentality.Martinez can only be judged when he has gone.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Moyes did well for us, stabilising the club and turning it from a bottom half of the table club to a top half one. But he didn't get success, and he didn't try and get his teams to play attractive football. It was, for the most part, sterile and reactive football. Not in our traditions.
That in no way could ever proof him against attack after he'd made great efforts to publicly humiliate Everton when he left in order to feather his own nest at United. If he'd been a roaring success at Everton, winning trophies and playing a scintillating brand of footy, I dare say those words would have have been forgotten (though not forgiven) and we'd all move on. But that's not the case, and he's dead in the water in terms of legacy. Imo.
That in no way could ever proof him against attack after he'd made great efforts to publicly humiliate Everton when he left in order to feather his own nest at United. If he'd been a roaring success at Everton, winning trophies and playing a scintillating brand of footy, I dare say those words would have have been forgotten (though not forgiven) and we'd all move on. But that's not the case, and he's dead in the water in terms of legacy. Imo.
yeah but after he had the ship steadied, say around 2006-7, he did absolutely nothing to progress it...no sorry, not didn't, COULDN'T, didn't have it in him.
sageyefc
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Moyes was good for everton for a time, but everton were even better for moyes.
Hes not the great Messiah his chums in the press wouldve had you believe and sadly a few of our younger fans did, since hes actually had some pressure on him at utd and real hes being found out big time
Hes not the great Messiah his chums in the press wouldve had you believe and sadly a few of our younger fans did, since hes actually had some pressure on him at utd and real hes being found out big time
To be perfectly honest, Moyes gets way too much stick for his Utd tenure. LVG with countless millions sent finished what, 4 points better in the league? He just had the benefit of playing in a much weaker league. They don't seem much improved this year either. SAF left that club in a pretty bad state. You see clearly from this season that united fans are a bunch of spoiled blerts who feel not only entitled to trophies but also stylish football along the way.
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