Moyes Though ?

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chrismpw said:
Based on a track record of getting cheap players either crocked or past their prime, nominally off United in exchange for someone quality.
To be fair to him - that's the way our budget constrained us for most signings - but then Martinez has been under the same budget to bring in who we have now.[/QUOTE]
Big LOL at that. Moyes had a net spend of 10.4m over 11 years. Martinez has had one of 47.7m over 2 and a half years.
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I love the whole, moyes wouldn't of built this squad BS.
First of all he didn't have the funds for a £28m striker.
Secondly he brought in players like baines, coleman, Jagielka, Arteta, gravesen, carsley, cahill, lescott, and of course he had players like weir and stubbs who could bloody defend.
Martinez has spent more and took us backwards - no denying it.
 
Paul Bernard said:
I love the whole, moyes wouldn't of built this squad BS.
First of all he didn't have the funds for a £28m striker.
Secondly he brought in players like baines, coleman, Jagielka, Arteta, gravesen, carsley, cahill, lescott, and of course he had players like weir and stubbs who could bloody defend.
Martinez has spent more and took us backwards - no denying it.
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Carsley was a Smith signing by the way.

As I mentioned above the fees can not be compared, relative spending to other clubs is a more accurate barometer.

Moyes wouldnt have signed Lukaku because he wouldnt have loaned him first because at the time there was no chance of it being permanent. Judging by his comments on TV lately he would have just lumped the ball up to him anyway.
 
Moyes is actually 2/1 favourite for our next boss..

Scary.

Jose is 12/1.

Lets hope the bookies got it wrong again.
 

DualityNSNO said:
Isn't Hibbert or Neville or something with similar odds?

If either Moyes or Neville or someone as crap are appointed, we should give them the Levski Sofia treatment from a few years ago:


NEA
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Ex players odds.
Dunc 16/1
Stubbs 20/1 @Mikey_Fitzgerald
Neville 33/1
Hibbert 66/1

Very open at the top of the market, so no one knows.. for sure.. yet.
 
chrismpw said:
I think we can look at a few of Moyse's signings like Shandy Andy, Billy, that centre half who had to have heading lessons on the pitch etc. to see that, although Moyes was good at signing players, he was also poor at times. Same as Martinez.
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Moyes was generally excellent. No manager in the world in a job for ten years will get all his signings right. I would be very concerned at how Roberto might waste £50 million this summer.
 

Papa Shango said:
Nobody seems to take into account how times change though. Valuations are relevant to their surroundings. Buying Lukaku for 24M was akin to paying 11M for Yakubu back in the day. Times change sometimes in a very short space of time as well.
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There is a massive massive difference....
Both teams had hypothetical squads that cost 100m in either time period

Martinez wants a player that cost 30m.. he buys him and then has squad that cost 130m
Moyes wants a player worth 10m which we will say is back then's equivalent value.. He has to sell a 12m (35m) player to get him and has a squad that therefore cost 98m squad.. The other 2m subsequently disappearing.. lawn mowers.. Arteta money Bill? etc..
This happened many times, with only the odd occasion where we had positive spend actually worth mentioning.. we ended up with the equivalent of 1m a season spend.

But its not about how much more Martinez is spending than Moyes, as you say, its a different time now... its that he can just buy instead of breaking a bit of his squad to fix a different bit.
Martinez is short of striking options, he just spends 12m on a striker that doesn't get a game... meh whatever..
Moyes wants a striker, he has to work out whether to sell a quality defender or midfielder, or the youngster that is doing alright like Rodwell but is getting overhyped but may yet develop in order to get him..

Despite this, there is another huge difference between the two:

We improved under Moyes
 
Papa Shango said:
Nobody seems to take into account how times change though. Valuations are relevant to their surroundings. Buying Lukaku for 24M was akin to paying 11M for Yakubu back in the day. Times change sometimes in a very short space of time as well.
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While I agree with what you're saying, with respect mate you could have picked a better example haha. I don't remember people being that blown away we spent 11 on Yakubu. I remember the reaction not just from our fans but other fans that we had paid £28 Million for Rom.

What ihaters said, just less eloquently
 

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