Moyes Though ?

[Saint Domingo]

With Moyes, we'd have Carrick, instead of Deulofeu, Giggs instead of Lukaku, Lampard instead of Lennon and Ferdinand instead of Funes Mori.

Based on? The signing of Neville on his prime?

 

[Toast]

Can't agree with the last comment to be fair as at least Moyes gave us in the mainstay a level of consistency which is higher than Roberto's.

Still, I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of having Moyes back for numerous reasons yet primarily because we're past him and his style now.

No discredit to Moyes as I had (and still do) have a lot of respect for the job he did here, but it was just too reserved. It was too rigid.

We'd all certainly like some of his defence coaching right now, however our increasing attacking ability would ultimately be shackled.

He met a glass ceiling and whether he had more money or not I still think it would in some form be there, as if simply sitting back in the fold.

We need a balance of the attacking prowess we've shown with some responsibilities with regards to defence and I don't think we'd get it with him.

Add to that the relationship between him and the fans would certainly not be as strong as it was in the past. No from me sorry...

He dithered over signings at United.

We have loads of money to spend.

Not in a million years would i take him back.

I just think of his send off every time i think of him.. and i genuinely cringe.

And weve got a trophy to play for still.. and moyes hasnt a clue how to bag one..
A friendly charity match doesn't count.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

The only time Moyes has had access to a serious transfer budget he spent £28million on Fellaini. There is no way in the world I'd want him back now we've got some proper backing.

I'd have him back if Moshiri disappears after 18 months and we're stuck with no money like Villa have been. Only then would he be worth considering.

 

[Neiler]

I wouldnt necessarily be opposed to having Moyes back it would be interesting to see what he would do with money.

He can certainly pick a player and if he had a bigger squad - i think we could push on, we were just below that glass ceiling when he left.

He did a fantastic job for us in his tenure, hes not without his faults but who is.

 

[chrismpw]

Based on? The signing of Neville on his prime?

Based on a track record of getting cheap players either crocked or past their prime, nominally off United in exchange for someone quality.
To be fair to him - that's the way our budget constrained us for most signings - but then Martinez has been under the same budget to bring in who we have now.

 

[PhilM]

Based on a track record of getting cheap players either crocked or past their prime, nominally off United in exchange for someone quality.
To be fair to him - that's the way our budget constrained us for most signings - but then Martinez has been under the same budget to bring in who we have now.

Think that's slightly unfair to be fair. Until Martinez, many an Evertonian would talk quite highly of the what Moyes achieved in the market.

Yes many of them were mainly defensively in the terms of Coleman, Jagielka, Baines and Stones, but they're pretty shrewd signings to be fair.

Let's not forget the likes of Martyn, Mirallas, Cahill, Fellaini and Oviedo as well. They may not be as flamboyant as Martinez but he didn't too badly.

 

[Papa Shango]

Can't agree with the last comment to be fair as at least Moyes gave us in the mainstay a level of consistency which is higher than Roberto's.

Still, I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of having Moyes back for numerous reasons yet primarily because we're past him and his style now.

No discredit to Moyes as I had (and still do) have a lot of respect for the job he did here, but it was just too reserved. It was too rigid.

We'd all certainly like some of his defence coaching right now, however our increasing attacking ability would ultimately be shackled.

He met a glass ceiling and whether he had more money or not I still think it would in some form be there, as if simply sitting back in the fold.

We need a balance of the attacking prowess we've shown with some responsibilities with regards to defence and I don't think we'd get it with him.

Add to that the relationship between him and the fans would certainly not be as strong as it was in the past. No from me sorry...

Moyes may have made us more consistent but I think we would always stand more chance of winning a trophy under Martinez than we would Moyes. Moyes has a loser mentality and seemingly always went into games fearing the worst. For a club like us that is not good enough for me.

 

[Papa Shango]

What does the skew the stats some what is that those results were spread out over a 10 year period

They really were few and far between

That being said, I wouldn't want Moyes back. That ship has sailed

A couple of them were back to back to fair.

We always started a season badly under Moyes with some awful defending. To be fair he usually turned it around eventually.

It is no surprise to me either that this was done with largely the same shambolic defence that we have now.

 

[madden95]

He dithered over signings at United.

We have loads of money to spend.

Not in a million years would i take him back.

I just think of his send off every time i think of him.. and i genuinely cringe.

And weve got a trophy to play for still.. and moyes hasnt a clue how to bag one..
A friendly charity match doesn't count.

i agree we dont want him back but we got to a final with him went 1-0 just our team was know where near good enough looking at the difference in quality between the two squads we had available is scary moyes done a good job

 

[PhilM]

Moyes may have made us more consistent but I think we would always stand more chance of winning a trophy under Martinez than we would Moyes. Moyes has a loser mentality and seemingly always went into games fearing the worst. For a club like us that is not good enough for me.

I agree. I'm in no way suggesting we should have Moyes back as I mentioned, but rather was saying I'd not rather have Martinez than Moyes.

Ideally though I'd want neither which is what I expect to occur.

 

[royalblue66]

I would never set foot in GP if dithering Dave came back.

 

[chrismpw]

Think that's slightly unfair to be fair. Until Martinez, many an Evertonian would talk quite highly of the what Moyes achieved in the market.

Yes many of them were mainly defensively in the terms of Coleman, Jagielka, Baines and Stones, but they're pretty shrewd signings to be fair.

Let's not forget the likes of Martyn, Mirallas, Cahill, Fellaini and Oviedo as well. They may not be as flamboyant as Martinez but he didn't too badly.

To be fair, I'll happily admit that Moyes was good with his signings, but to be fair, it's fair for anybody to see that the sort of signings Martinez has brought in have been exciting - even if, to be fair, they're not solid.

I suppose the problem we are viewing is that we've gone from one dour extreme to the other attack at all costs but lose extreme. To be fair.

 

[KopitesAreGobshi+es22]

Thought Moyes was fantastic until the bottom dropped out at the end. While I hated the way it ended, I still hold him in favour.

 

[KopitesAreGobshi+es22]

To be fair, I'll happily admit that Moyes was good with his signings, but to be fair, it's fair for anybody to see that the sort of signings Martinez has brought in have been exciting - even if, to be fair, they're not solid.

I suppose the problem we are viewing is that we've gone from one dour extreme to the other attack at all costs but lose extreme. To be fair.

Gerry the Spanish Kid, Yes. Lukaku, Yes. Besic, Yes. Lennon, Yes.

Alcaraz, Kone, Eto, McGeady (can I say Niasse here?), No.

At least half of our current starting lineup are still Moyes players. I'm not advocating for Moyes' return, just interesting to see that.

 

[chrismpw]

Gerry the Spanish Kid, Yes. Lukaku, Yes. Besic, Yes. Lennon, Yes.

Alcaraz, Kone, Eto, McGeady (can I say Niasse here?), No.

At least half of our current starting lineup are still Moyes players. I'm not advocating for Moyes' return, just interesting to see that.

I think we can look at a few of Moyse's signings like Shandy Andy, Billy, that centre half who had to have heading lessons on the pitch etc. to see that, although Moyes was good at signing players, he was also poor at times. Same as Martinez.