RalphDring
Player Valuation: £8m
I doubt we would have had the influx of so many Wigan players also, no Alcaraz would definitely be a plus.
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I doubt we would have had the influx of so many Wigan players also, no Alcaraz would definitely be a plus.
RalphDring
Player Valuation: £8m
That's nice thought, it does sound better and better all the time, perhaps Moyes had a point after all.
Moyes wasnt the right man for the job at the end, he did superbly getting us to where he did, he built a very good squad considering the money he had to spend, but he wasnt quite getting the best out of it, a lot like Martinez currently.
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
It's like when people used to ask if you wanted Walter Smith and Peter Johnson back. They just do it in an effort to discredit any serious discussions before they get off the ground.
At least I hope that's what's happening, as oppose to them being completely oblivious to how the football landscape has changed in England.
Watford's manager is a Europa League winner. Swansea have just brought in a fella who has won trophies in Italy. Southampton, West Ham and Aston Villa have managers that could very easily be working at an established name on the continent.
I have no idea why people pretend that a club which is a permanent fixture in the most monied league in the world would have trouble attracting top talent. The reality is that the list of potential replacements begins with whoever sits one place below Martinez on the list of highest paid managers.
Stones would never have seen a blue shirt!
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
I think that's pretty unfair to Moyes. He didn't have the chance to have a vision. Remember what he was given...a shattered club, with no money and no players. Just a passionate crowd n' a pair of empty pockets.
He took us a long way. Now...about the youth... Rooney, Rodwell, Osman even Barkley... It wasn't much but it was a worthy work! Then he went for a couple of youngsters he helped develop. You may never forget who signed Stones, for example. And don't you forget the job he made with Fellaini...he was crap and then he was ace for us. Was sold for a nice amount of money too. He digged into the lower divisions and lesser clubs to find Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Lescott...all of them were made international players under Moyes. He got some nice players for very few money, like Cahill, Pienaar and even Naismith. He left a solid team who needed a few touches to step further. Martinez did a lot more than a few touches. He brought Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, McGeady, Lennon, Deulofeu, Kone...see how many players he bought and how much he spent in such a short tenure? He didn't have to sell any key player to raise funds. He didn't have to sell any promising youngster for the same effect. In fact, the clube has allowed him to hang on Barkley and Stones, unlike what happened in Rooney or Rodwell's cases.
Now the vision of Martinez... which one is it? He spends, he spends, he spends... He's going to shoot for Champions League football and then we're not even getting european football... He bought literally, a new squad and we are worse than we were! It does not compute. But worse than spending is his inability to convert those signings into a competent team. Of course we look ace sometimes, going forward. But we also look [Poor language removed] defendig. There's no balance in this team. It's his job as a manager to find that balance between good attacking football and guarding against the counter-attacks. He's had enough time and patience from the board and from the fans. The sort of poor excuses he's making only had injury to insult.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Before 2009 when he agreed to do Kenwright's dirty work for him by having a firesale to square debts and interest payments off Moyes had a net spend of £38M.
Presently Martinez has a net spend of £34M.
That's that urban myth crushed.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
In how many seasons?
CynicalBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
For all of DM's shortcomings, I would have said his tenure was a success had he presented us a trophy. Unfortunately for him, he will just go down as one of our longest serving managers.
Like many, he had highs and lows but I felt he struggled to inspire many players and fans alike.
Like many, he had highs and lows but I felt he struggled to inspire many players and fans alike.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
Imagine what the balance will be in 4 years with Martinez in charge.
Either way, don't you forget that Martinez has that sort of result because of Moyes' work. The sale of Fellaini has a huge impact in Martinez' numbers and it wasn't his ability that allowed that deal. If it wasn't for that...he would have 40M£ less, which were raised by selling Moyes' signings. And, again, he sold Naismith for 8,5M£. He did not make a nickel on any of his "shrewd" signings. So under Martinez, the club made 48,5M£ . Looking at the facts I find that Martinez only managed to sell Moyes' players.. I mean only 1 player, because all the others were sold before he signed. And the sale of Naismith is the only money raised by Martinez' action. So, in truth, Martinez only sold players worth 8,5M£..10 if you consider Duffy. So in another brutal truth, Martinez spent almost 90M£ in just 3 seasons. Money that he didn't raise at all. Since 92 Everton has spent a little over 327M£.
While balancing the books, Moyes still had us as top 6 finishers. And Moyes paid a fraction of a transfer fee because he went looking for players on the "second hand shop". Yakubu wasn't cheap as wasn't Fellaini. If he had gone for top quality players he would have spent a close number to Lukaku's figure.
All in all, Moyes has left with an overall net spending of a little over 8,5M£ which averages at under 800k of net spending a season. Against 34M£ overall from Martinez which averages a little over 11M£ a season. It's over 10 times more. And if you take those 40M£ from one side to the other, the thing gets a lot darker.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
So he had 5 million per season, until he didn't even have that, yet he still left us top 6 with a total net spend of around £1 million per year.
Yeah you've really crushed that myth.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
The consensus is that Moyes left about 3 years too late, but with avalanche of TV money coming in shortly after he left, there is an argument that he left 3 years too soon.
God only knows where we would have finished if we could have afforded a Lukaku rather than a Saha, an Anichebe or a Jelavic.
God only knows where we would have finished if we could have afforded a Lukaku rather than a Saha, an Anichebe or a Jelavic.
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