Moyes - should he stay or should he go?

Should Moyes..

  • Stay?

    Votes: 351 61.5%
  • Go?

    Votes: 220 38.5%

  • Total voters
    571
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He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else. We're currently 12 points better off than we where this time last season and have never once looked like being in a relegation battle. That might not be enough for any of us but if you look at it dispassionately its objectively an improvement on the previous four season while protecting the owners involvement. If they had ambition then they'd never have brought Moyes in at all, let alone kept him in the summer. No I'm afraid that he's here until his contract expires or we get worse and end up in a relegation dogfight and lets he honest, some of you might hate Moyes but you must know that isn't going to happen.
Well you are right....to a point.

They obviously wanted a steady pair of hands to take over from Dyche .

The question is how long do they want a steady as it goes approach and / or how much ambition do they actually have.

If they truly have ambition and want to expedite change Moyes goes at the end of the season.

If he is here next season we can deduce that TFG either lack ambition or are just as cautious as Moyes.
 
He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else. We're currently 12 points better off than we where this time last season and have never once looked like being in a relegation battle. That might not be enough for any of us but if you look at it dispassionately its objectively an improvement on the previous four season while protecting the owners involvement. If they had ambition then they'd never have brought Moyes in at all, let alone kept him in the summer. No I'm afraid that he's here until his contract expires or we get worse and end up in a relegation dogfight and lets he honest, some of you might hate Moyes but you must know that isn't going to happen.
“He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else”

Great point. TFG should’ve just gone and got Klopp or Guardiola.

Football is about progression, we have 12 points more than this time last season and from your post it looks (although I may be wrong) like you want shut of Moyes.

What number would’ve been more acceptable to you? Should we be 20 points better than this time last season? As in relegation threatened to champions league places? Sounds weird when you put it like that doesn’t it.

Can you name me a manager who has taken over a club with limited spending in the previous 10 windows (5 seasons) and has also been dodging relegation battles and then made them European certainties? As we are still European possibilities .

I can’t think of one, maybe you know better than me? Remember, the prerequisites are a manager who has taken over constant relegation possibilities, low spending previous 5 seasons and not finished top 10 since Marco Silva did which was pre Covid.

I’ll be interested to see your suggestion of manager who we should’ve got instead of Moyes when Dyche left.
 
“He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else”

Great point. TFG should’ve just gone and got Klopp or Guardiola.

Football is about progression, we have 12 points more than this time last season and from your post it looks (although I may be wrong) like you want shut of Moyes.

What number would’ve been more acceptable to you? Should we be 20 points better than this time last season? As in relegation threatened to champions league places? Sounds weird when you put it like that doesn’t it.

Can you name me a manager who has taken over a club with limited spending in the previous 10 windows (5 seasons) and has also been dodging relegation battles and then made them European certainties? As we are still European possibilities .

I can’t think of one, maybe you know better than me? Remember, the prerequisites are a manager who has taken over constant relegation possibilities, low spending previous 5 seasons and not finished top 10 since Marco Silva did which was pre Covid.

I’ll be interested to see your suggestion of manager who we should’ve got instead of Moyes when Dyche left.
Lee Carsley....Young ideas ....
 
Well you are right....to a point.

They obviously wanted a steady pair of hands to take over from Dyche .

The question is how long do they want a steady as it goes approach and / or how much ambition do they actually have.

If they truly have ambition and want to expedite change Moyes goes at the end of the season.

If he is here next season we can deduce that TFG either lack ambition or are just as cautious as Moyes.
I'd truly not be shocked to see them stick with him for next season until his contract expires (I've not seen any evidence at all to back-up this story of an additional year that Moyes can claim). Its hardly what I want but based on the conservative nature of the orignal appointment and the fact that they kept him last summer knowing full well that this was the kind of season we where going to have (if they didn't see this coming then they're idiots as well as being unambitious).
 
“He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else”

Great point. TFG should’ve just gone and got Klopp or Guardiola.

Football is about progression, we have 12 points more than this time last season and from your post it looks (although I may be wrong) like you want shut of Moyes.

What number would’ve been more acceptable to you? Should we be 20 points better than this time last season? As in relegation threatened to champions league places? Sounds weird when you put it like that doesn’t it.

Can you name me a manager who has taken over a club with limited spending in the previous 10 windows (5 seasons) and has also been dodging relegation battles and then made them European certainties? As we are still European possibilities .

I can’t think of one, maybe you know better than me? Remember, the prerequisites are a manager who has taken over constant relegation possibilities, low spending previous 5 seasons and not finished top 10 since Marco Silva did which was pre Covid.

I’ll be interested to see your suggestion of manager who we should’ve got instead of Moyes when Dyche left.

Moyes may have more points than Dyche but versus his own performance last year he is down after investment so the 12 points better off than Dyche needs to be in context:

Moyes:
Last season 20 games 31 points
This season 21 games 29 points
 
I hate that he proved the haters right. Down to the letter. The only defense I hear for him is 'stability, look at what we had under Moshiri, the worst owner of our existence and Dyche one of the worst managers in our existence!'

I don't like using bad examples as a barometer of where our current manager/ownership situation should be. He is nothing if not 'stable' which is fine. We could have done better imo, but after this season it is no longer 'fine.' We have to improve at some point or we will end up right back where we started.
 
“He's not going anywhere lads so you might as well just get used to it. TFG knew exactly what they where getting with Moyes. He's a steady-eddy here for stability and nowt else”

Great point. TFG should’ve just gone and got Klopp or Guardiola.

Football is about progression, we have 12 points more than this time last season and from your post it looks (although I may be wrong) like you want shut of Moyes.

What number would’ve been more acceptable to you? Should we be 20 points better than this time last season? As in relegation threatened to champions league places? Sounds weird when you put it like that doesn’t it.

Can you name me a manager who has taken over a club with limited spending in the previous 10 windows (5 seasons) and has also been dodging relegation battles and then made them European certainties? As we are still European possibilities .

I can’t think of one, maybe you know better than me? Remember, the prerequisites are a manager who has taken over constant relegation possibilities, low spending previous 5 seasons and not finished top 10 since Marco Silva did which was pre Covid.

I’ll be interested to see your suggestion of manager who we should’ve got instead of Moyes when Dyche left.
I was fine with Moyes coming in last season. He was an ideal man to steady the ship. I can even understand why the owners gave him the contact they did. But its hardly ambitious. Every man and his dog will have saw us getting eliminated from the cups at the first hurdle miles off. Its not acceptable. Nor is being beaten by shear bloody effort at home to Brentford and held by a truly terrible Wolves team and yet they where all entirely predictable. Like everything associated with Moyes it will always be entirely predictable. Existence and nowt else beyond.
 
Moyes may have more points than Dyche but versus his own performance last year he is down after investment so the 12 points better off than Dyche needs to be in context:

Moyes:
Last season 20 games 31 points
This season 21 games 29 points
So a win away from progression? Ok fair point I’ll take it. But what will be interesting is to see where we are 8 games from now, assuming we get some players back.

Also worth noting he performed absolute miracles last season getting that form out of Beto, who is one of the worst strikers I’ve ever seen wear a blue shirt, he hasn’t been able to repeat that miracle.

You have a point about investment, but which of those investments played in the last week? And which of those that did are bad ones? And are they on Moyes?
 
127 people voting to get rid of Moyes despite the fact we're 11 points better off this season and in with a sniff of Europe.
Fair enough.

I did and changed my vote to stay. For now!

We're all fickle I hate us losing, it's been a bad week. We've had loads of them down the years. Just not happy but we'll get through this. Might get a little worse before it gets better.
 
So a win away from progression? Ok fair point I’ll take it. But what will be interesting is to see where we are 8 games from now, assuming we get some players back.

Also worth noting he performed absolute miracles last season getting that form out of Beto, who is one of the worst strikers I’ve ever seen wear a blue shirt, he hasn’t been able to repeat that miracle.

You have a point about investment, but which of those investments played in the last week? And which of those that did are bad ones? And are they on Moyes?

Agreed that further games will provide evidence one way or the other & agreed that he did well last year, a lot better than I anticipated but he needs to show progress after spending £100m otherwise why would you give him another chunk of money to spend.

Moyes would have agreed to the investments or he wouldn’t have taken the job, his ex chief scout wouldn’t have been recruited & Thelwell or a replacement would be in situ. However I would concede that he wouldn’t have been allowed to buy the ‘experienced’ players he wanted apart from KDH & Grealish.

I also don’t get the situation with Beto, he found a way to get him scoring last season by playing balls for him to run onto but this season have reverted to pumping it up to him with his back to goal which he can’t do.
 
Agreed that further games will provide evidence one way or the other & agreed that he did well last year, a lot better than I anticipated but he needs to show progress after spending £100m otherwise why would you give him another chunk of money to spend.

Moyes would have agreed to the investments or he wouldn’t have taken the job, his ex chief scout wouldn’t have been recruited & Thelwell or a replacement would be in situ. However I would concede that he wouldn’t have been allowed to buy the ‘experienced’ players he wanted apart from KDH & Grealish.

I also don’t get the situation with Beto, he found a way to get him scoring last season by playing balls for him to run onto but this season have reverted to pumping it up to him with his back to goal which he can’t do.
Him playing with our full back and striker options and having internet people adamantly saying he should be doing better is like saying Captain Sulley should’ve found an airport to land at.
 
A manager who's stale, devoid of any flexibility and is suspicious of new players, who he hates integrating into the first team.

WTF did we do to deserve this?

A fresh start in a new home with owners arsed enough to supply cash...and 5 months later we end up lost and wandering around in a stupor trying to figure out how we can reboot this organisation.

People talking about still stuff to play for this season, well that ^^^ is the story of season 2025/26 right now.
 
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