Current Affairs Missing woman in Lancashire

[slipstream86]

Struggling to see how much difference that intelligence regarding alcohol dependency would make to search team tactics anyhow, be it police or third party.

 

[Kurt.]

A raging alcoholic by all accounts suffering with the affects of the menopause. I guess the police were just counting on finding her body very quickly and so didn't think they'd ever have to air her personal issues in public.

Of course they'll have known this information very early on, what with it being in their systems that a welfare check was carried out recently.

I'm convinced that if she has wandered off or been taken the evidence would have presented itself by now. Where there weren't CCTV cameras there will have been plenty of dashcam footage, for example.

The relatively short gap of time doesn't really leave anywhere for her to have gone where she wouldn't have been spotted in person or on a camera.

The only thing that's still puzzling me is her having not been found despite the continuous searches of the water right up to the sea, where even the experts say it was virtually impossible for her to have been dragged out.

Probably a one in a million and she actually has been swept out to sea having wanted to put an end to her mental issues.

Would love her to be found safe and well though!

Bloody hell….. there’s a huge difference with somebody struggling with alcohol and life events .. and a raging alcoholic ffs

 

[PhilM]

He was just helping them search the river, because despite them turning down his public offers they clearly felt the pressure he’d put them under from family and media was too much. He didn’t need to know anything about her, because he was literally just there to use his sonar equipment, although you’d obviously have been forgiven for thinking he was the lead detective based on his self promotion.

Nail on the head - a loose cannon who was likely called in by the family rather than the cops, and the offer couldn't be turned down.

His job is to search the river where he was told to, rather than meddle with the press saga. He is not a detective - he's a diver, ex-PARA and a budding author.

Mr Faulding said if Nicola had wandered back through the gate where her dog Willow was found and to the bridge - a CCTV blindspot - "she could’ve literally wandered off and no one would have seen her".

I wonder if the release of his new book just before his offer to help the search had anything to do with his media antics.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I think that the Police jumped to this conclusion a bit too quickly tbh, thinking that she just topped herself in the river. I have a bit more faith in the guy who is getting abuse all over the place because he said she’s not in the river…..

What a surprise - out of all this you pick the idea to support the gammon faced media hungry loon

There's no evidence she ever went in the river. Its 2ft deep.

Is it really only 2ft deep?

Twice as deep in the centre, not going to end up there just falling in, you might if taking a running jump lets say in a distressed state. And if she was in a distressed state she may not have entered the water where the dog and items were found and search was conducted, could have walked some distance. Shocking Police have withheld this from search team.

Sorry what? The police withheld information from their own colleagues? Are you sure? And even if they did isn't it the leading officers job to decide how to run an investigation?

 

[gonetomorrow]

The police pressers yesterday were frankly appalling.
Just get on with your job and stop worrying about your media image.

 

[Moomin]

What a surprise - out of all this you pick the idea to support the gammon faced media hungry loon


Is it really only 2ft deep?




Sorry what? The police withheld information from their own colleagues? Are you sure? And even if they did isn't it the leading officers job to decide how to run an investigation?

Media whore had to respond

 

[Charlie Sweet]

The police pressers yesterday were frankly appalling.
Just get on with your job and stop worrying about your media image.

But media perception/PR is critical in enshrining trust in the police. When a no mark talking head is courting the media to disparage and denigrate they have to respond.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Bloody hell….. there’s a huge difference with somebody struggling with alcohol and life events .. and a raging alcoholic ffs

It was for comedy effect mate given the way the police released the information.

 

[Kurt.]

It was for comedy effect mate given the way the police released the information.

Apologies, it was early morning and I’d just woken up.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What a surprise - out of all this you pick the idea to support the gammon faced media hungry loon


Is it really only 2ft deep?




Sorry what? The police withheld information from their own colleagues? Are you sure? And even if they did isn't it the leading officers job to decide how to run an investigation?

Apparently so according to the search team that was brought in they were not informed of any vulnerabilities by family or police...

Know for fact from my time in the coast guard the profile of the person has a huge importance on how you conduct a search, mental health likelihood of substance misuse are very noteworthy in where you start search and its parameters.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/diving-specialist-peter-faulding-says-never-briefed-vulnerabilities/

Dismiss all you like its all very well researched into catrorgries of missing people and the best methods in finding missing/recovering people. As who the missing person is they will exhibit known behavior's, from age gender intelligence hobby substance misuse etc. Will effect search parameter's. Not really taken note of this case until i heard the announcement of vulnerabilities.

 

[PhilM]

Apparently so according to the search team that was brought in they were not informed of any vulnerabilities by family or police...

Know for fact from my time in the coast guard the profile of the person has a huge importance on how you conduct a search, mental health likelihood of substance misuse are very noteworthy in where you start search and its parameters.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/diving-specialist-peter-faulding-says-never-briefed-vulnerabilities/

Dismiss all you like its all very well researched into catrorgries of missing people and the best methods in finding missing/recovering people. As who the missing person is they will exhibit known behavior's, from age gender intelligence hobby substance misuse etc. Will effect search parameter's. Not really taken note of this case until i heard the announcement of vulnerabilities.

I agree that the vulnerabilities will impact on the search parameters, but what people are ignoring is the clear and obvious saga behind the scenes.

Fauling was called in by the family (not cops) around the 5th of February - 9 days after the disappearance - and after searches of the area had already taken place.

Also, he was called in at the families asking only after he made comments to GB News. What concerns me is that on the 2nd February, he released a book.

Why did he decide to make comments to GB News regarding the case, when he had no involvement? Was it to support the search or elicit a response?

As I said earlier, I fully believe the initial police search teams will have been briefed, whereas I suspect Fauling's support may have been viewed with scepticism.

By scepticism, I really mean suspicion. Has he taken payment for his services, and I wonder how many books he's sold on the back of his promotion...

...sorry, involvement. He will have been told to search an area as per his remit based on the decisions made by the investigating officers. Surely, that's his role?

It is not for him to decide the strategy - e.g. where to search. If people can't see this as egoistical self-promotion, I'm worried.

 

[Voodoo Billy]

The police pressers yesterday were frankly appalling.
Just get on with your job and stop worrying about your media image.

Thought that myself. It's ridiculous that the police have to spend their time responding to theories by Poundshop Columbos on 'tinternet.

 

[peteblue]

I agree that the vulnerabilities will impact on the search parameters, but what people are ignoring is the clear and obvious saga behind the scenes.

Fauling was called in by the family (not cops) around the 5th of February - 9 days after the disappearance - and after searches of the area had already taken place.

Also, he was called in at the families asking only after he made comments to GB News. What concerns me is that on the 2nd February, he released a book.

Why did he decide to make comments to GB News regarding the case, when he had no involvement? Was it to support the search or elicit a response?

As I said earlier, I fully believe the initial police search teams will have been briefed, whereas I suspect Fauling's support may have been viewed with scepticism.

By scepticism, I really mean suspicion. Has he taken payment for his services, and I wonder how many books he's sold on the back of his promotion...

...sorry, involvement. He will have been told to search an area as per his remit based on the decisions made by the investigating officers. Surely, that's his role?

It is not for him to decide the strategy - e.g. where to search. If people can't see this as egoistical self-promotion, I'm worried.

The underwater search guy is a PR disaster and frankly isn’t doing his business much good for future working with the Police. The family however will utilise whoever they can to find her. The Police are making themselves look terrible tbh and the recent tv update has harmed the family and probably their investigation. Shambles tbh…..

 

[Simon Buttle]

Thought that myself. It's ridiculous that the police have to spend their time responding to theories by Poundshop Columbos on 'tinternet.

Poundshop Columbos only exist because nobody has any confidence in what the Police do and the fact that every other TV show these days is some sort of Police procedural drama of sorts.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Twice as deep in the centre, not going to end up there just falling in, you might if taking a running jump lets say in a distressed state. And if she was in a distressed state she may not have entered the water where the dog and items were found and search was conducted, could have walked some distance. Shocking Police have withheld this from search team.

Would the dog not have jumped in the river after her though? Police said the dog did not go in the river.

If I’d jumped in the river whilst walking my dog I’m 100% certain he would of thought I’ll have a bit of that too and jumped rar in after me.