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Wizard said:
But surely you realise that is the worst course of action in every single way. For one, advocating for psychopaths to enact “justice” on the police force only leads one way. Pure anarchy. And secondly, it builds sympathy for the police force, it doesn’t make them think twice about how they deal with the public. If anything it makes it more likely for heavy handed/illegal tactics. There is no world in which saying we need more people like Moat or Cregan makes any sense. It also only makes the person perpetrating it as bad as the target.

Moat and Cregan weren’t some vigilantes trying to clean up our streets and save us from an incredibly flawed police system. They were psychopaths with their own axes to grind who themselves killed quite a few innocent members of public. Even if they had been benevolent vigilantes that is not the way to go about things.

I am with you that the police forces in this country need serious reform and I am not for a second siding with our resident lunatic (sorry, spiritualist) calling for them to be able to beat the living daylights out of people to put them in their place and learn a lesson.

We need to get to a place where the police and the communities they look after trust each other. Not sure how that happens though after years of budget cuts and also the stink around them in general. There are no easy answers. Maybe if there was more funding (as if) and more time to properly vet them then it would be a start. Something needs to happen and soon. But killing coppers is not the way.
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Appreciate your point (politely made I may add), but the sooner the bully (bullies) catch a few black eyes and bust lips in return for their murders the better. You have faith it seems, that things could get better, I very much don't. The longer they are allowed to go unaccountable the further off the scale their crimes get. Crimes of the uniform. Institutionally corrupt. This is a war about freedom and human rights. Until that is faced, any and every harm done to them on purpose is fair game.

They can put their hands up tomorrow and admit they've been a bullies own club for to long and the days of circling the wagons and protecting their own above all else is over. But I aint holding my breath. Feck em, each and every one!
 
mightymoyes said:
Should be Instant dismissal for these scumbags, take advantage of some of the bad ones showing themselves.
www.theguardian.com

London police defy ban on badges linked to far right and white supremacy

Met oficers seen wearing divisive ‘thin blue line’ symbol at sensitive protests despite orders to remove them
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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"Nick Adderley, the Northamptonshire chief constable, said he would not allow a minority to “twist the meaning” of the patch, which is produced by the Care of Police Survivors charity and sold to raise money for the families of officers who died in the line of duty."
 
PhilM said:
"Nick Adderley, the Northamptonshire chief constable, said he would not allow a minority to “twist the meaning” of the patch, which is produced by the Care of Police Survivors charity and sold to raise money for the families of officers who died in the line of duty."
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Too late, already regarded as a fascist symbol around the world
 
PhilM said:
"Nick Adderley, the Northamptonshire chief constable, said he would not allow a minority to “twist the meaning” of the patch, which is produced by the Care of Police Survivors charity and sold to raise money for the families of officers who died in the line of duty."
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Regardless of the exact meaning that they wear them for. They have been told to not display them as it is a political symbol and it is being defied by officers who are out policing a protest.
Police should not wear political logos in uniform.
 
Hackbread said:
Regardless of the exact meaning that they wear them for. They have been told to not display them as it is a political symbol and it is being defied by officers who are out policing a protest.
Police should not wear political logos in uniform.
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Which is a different matter entirely, and one I agree with: policing should be non-politicised; without fear, favour, malice or ill will. But apples and oranges here.

The issue I was making is that the argument that it is a political logo is one that troubles me because who has decided it is a political logo? Where's the proof here?

Who has decided the connotation? As the quote state, it is produced to raise money for bereaved families and as such can the assertion be proven?

If they've been ordered not to wear it and do so, that's a different matter entirely rather suggesting they're promoting some form of a 'political' or 'fascist' agenda.

Disciplinary offence, yes. Sacking? Come on. Is the Poppy to be classified as a political symbol?
 
mightymoyes said:
Yes and the term was started by racist police in response to the black lives matter movement, don't believe that chief constable
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Wrong. If you want to go and research the term 'Thin Blue Line', the term is much older. Therefore, the assertion you're making perhaps may be wrong, right?

The symbol has been used in the UK prior to BLM too - 2003 - so perhaps the US connection may not be suitable to use here in the UK?
 
PhilM said:
Which is a different matter entirely, and one I agree with: policing should be non-politicised; without fear, favour, malice or ill will. But apples and oranges here.

The issue I was making is that the argument that it is a political logo is one that troubles me because who has decided it is a political logo? Where's the proof here?

Who has decided the connotation? As the quote state, it is produced to raise money for bereaved families and as such can the assertion be proven?

If they've been ordered not to wear it and do so, that's a different matter entirely rather suggesting they're promoting some form of a 'political' or 'fascist' agenda.

Disciplinary offence, yes. Sacking? Come on. Is the Poppy to be classified as a political symbol?
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In regards to it being a 'political' (sorry I used that term rather loosely) symbol and not being allowed to be worn:

"The uniform and dress code policy of the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) states that the MPS don't wear badges advertising causes, beliefs, or charities, except in a few circumstances"

So it definitely falls under the above dress code policy, regardless of if it's being worn plain and simply for its intended charity.

I think the guardian in the previous article is making out the higher ups of the Met police to be.more 'woke' than they actually are. Its actual banning is just a blanket ban on all symbols such as this, not necessarily the met being proactive.

However the higher ups, Rowley or something like that highlighted its use amongst far right groups and police in the USA, and how that makes it even more shakey territory. Particularly when policing a protest of LGBTQ Vs far right, could end up causing bad blood and publicity for no reason.
And I agree with that, they shouldn't be wearing symbols promoting causes anyway, even less so if it could be misinterpreted
 
PhilM said:
Wrong. If you want to go and research the term 'Thin Blue Line', the term is much older. Therefore, the assertion you're making perhaps may be wrong, right?

The symbol has been used in the UK prior to BLM too - 2003 - so perhaps the US connection may not be suitable to use here in the UK?
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Yeh sorry, crossed wires, I was referring to the blue lives matter stuff but this thin blue line badge has been adopted by that movement.
 
There's also a very good Errol Morris documentary called The Thin Blue Line which I think is from the 80's about the killing of an American police officer. So yeah, it wasn't started by racist police in response to BLM.
 
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