We need to cleanse football of the FIFA Ultimate Team fan and spreadsheet squares, they are the reason we end up with people like Gylfi Sigurdsson poisoning our team.
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We need to cleanse football of the FIFA Ultimate Team fan and spreadsheet squares, they are the reason we end up with people like Gylfi Sigurdsson poisoning our team.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
This was the most obvious person to react this way. Enjoy your fantasy world where every single part of your life isn't impacted by data.
KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
If they weren’t so obnoxious I’d feel sorry for them. Imagine boiling Everton down to a load of numbers and totally cheapening the sport with utter nonsense. A player can have a good game without scoring, assisting, meeting their XG or playing x amounts of forward balls just by simply playing well. We’ve all seen it happen millions of times but to them numbers are numbers.
This is what so many fans don't understand! Positioning in 9/10's of everything on the pitch. Where's the stat for that?
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
That's kind of baked into stats though right? Like if you're a defensive midfielder in good position you would get more interceptions or make more tackles than someone who isn't or if you're a striker in good position you would get more shots off.
It's amazing how people have thought of these issues and tried to work them out already.
Not necessarily, no. An “interception” could be if the opposition midfielder gives a horrendous pass away to you in the middle of the park. Likewise a “completed pass” could be a woefully under hit ball or smashed at your teammates neck, but it still goes down on the stats as completed.
Not true though is it. By being the right position you can force opposition errors without physically touching the ball, you can draw players away from the ball during an attack, you can position yourself to make space for team mates etc etc etc
Don't get me started on poor positioning.
Stats are nice to look at, but are often more useful to manipulate the truth than to tell it.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Right but how many times over the course of the season is that likely to happen? I mean if a player smashes it at his teammates neck for 5 straight games that's probably going to be reflected in the percentage of completed passes no?
I will say this. Defensive stats are a bit shaky because there's nothing that accounts for a situation where good marking stops the ball from going toward a defender. It doesn't mean that things like % of tackles won don't matter, just that there are bigger holes to poke. But attackers and midfielders use of the ball is pretty well measured at this point. There's certainly room to argue about how valuable that stuff is. What is ridiculous is saying it has no value.
TheFinnFan
Finners
Deal is off now that Gomes is back in action x
Dont encourage him
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
I'll take the positioning argument with defenders. I think it is very fair.
But for attackers and midfielders at some point it becomes about what you do with the ball. Saying positioning without it means more is basically the Bernard argument and I'm just not having that. Maybe from time to time you can draw someone away or whatever but by and large players who can't do things with the ball are just not very good.
No it’s not, they’ll all go down as completed passes so if you didn’t watch the games and just looked at a set of numbers, all you see is that the player had a high pass completion. But most of them were rubbish passes, and said player actually had a succession of terrible games.
Like you quoting Schneiderlin’s dribble stats, how many times have you ever seen him actually dribble in a game? I can’t remember a single time off the top of my head since he joined Everton, so what is a dribble according to WhoScored? Literally taking more than two touches on the ball is probably classed as dribbling to them. Another worthless stat that means absolutely nothing.
Be honest, have you ever seen Snides dribble the ball?
Bernard can do things with the ball though, and if you actually watched him play you’d see that.
TheFinnFan
Finners
Think Inter cant ask over price now cause Andres progress has been so amazing...wonder if we want him now at all
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