Mass exodus of UK football journalists to American website 'The Atheletic'

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Also been tempted to join, but still wondering whether it will add genuine value or just be more noise. Never been impressed by football journalism in the UK (by comparison with other types of journalism that I read) and they've just brought in all the people who were already in the press and put them behind a paywall. The longer reads and the new tech are what might push me over the line.
 
Also been tempted to join, but still wondering whether it will add genuine value or just be more noise. Never been impressed by football journalism in the UK (by comparison with other types of journalism that I read) and they've just brought in all the people who were already in the press and put them behind a paywall. The longer reads and the new tech are what might push me over the line.
It's OK for the 30 quid so far. And the paywall helps keep out most of the blerts on the Q&As.
 
Also been tempted to join, but still wondering whether it will add genuine value or just be more noise. Never been impressed by football journalism in the UK (by comparison with other types of journalism that I read) and they've just brought in all the people who were already in the press and put them behind a paywall. The longer reads and the new tech are what might push me over the line.

Paddy Boyland, a good Blue, is one of our reporters. Everything he's put out so far has been spot on.
 
Paddy Boyland, a good Blue, is one of our reporters. Everything he's put out so far has been spot on.

Yeah saw that. I also generally agree with stuff I hear or read from him and O'Keefe. But the aim of journalism should be to add some special insight, in this case be it tactical knowledge, info from a club source, and so on. But it feels like it might just be more opinion-based noise -- like we currently get across all football media -- but from the more informed perspective of an actual fan.
 
Also been tempted to join, but still wondering whether it will add genuine value or just be more noise. Never been impressed by football journalism in the UK (by comparison with other types of journalism that I read) and they've just brought in all the people who were already in the press and put them behind a paywall. The longer reads and the new tech are what might push me over the line.
It employs James Pearce.

I think that says A LOT.
 
Paid for journalism, or “exclusive content” is the end of journalism
Actually I would argue that free newspapers were the death of traditional journalism, eventually followed by the race to the lowest common denominator by generally younger generations fixated on banter, social media and reality TV.

The problem with the 'information model' is that everyone tries to access information as cheaply as possible (see talk here about streams, and appeals for people to copy paid content onto the forum). That means there is no business case for paying a traditional newsroom unless you can offer a unique selling point.

Membership sites are one model - quite successful so far for the Guardian, for example. And presumably The Athletic have done their sums.

Clickbait and outrageous plagiarism à la Daily Hate and the paper that shall not be mentioned are the other model, where you attempt to gain audience, pay peanuts for kids who will rewrite stories picked up elsewhere or taken from news agencies and attempt to be as controversial as possible.

Otherwise you are relying on personal sites like this one, Toffeeweb, and random blogs, which however attractive they might be or how well-run and -produced are in no way journalism.

Bah humbug...
 
Actually I would argue that free newspapers were the death of traditional journalism, eventually followed by the race to the lowest common denominator by generally younger generations fixated on banter, social media and reality TV.

The problem with the 'information model' is that everyone tries to access information as cheaply as possible (see talk here about streams, and appeals for people to copy paid content onto the forum). That means there is no business case for paying a traditional newsroom unless you can offer a unique selling point.

Membership sites are one model - quite successful so far for the Guardian, for example. And presumably The Athletic have done their sums.

Clickbait and outrageous plagiarism à la Daily Hate and the paper that shall not be mentioned are the other model, where you attempt to gain audience, pay peanuts for kids who will rewrite stories picked up elsewhere or taken from news agencies and attempt to be as controversial as possible.

Otherwise you are relying on personal sites like this one, Toffeeweb, and random blogs, which however attractive they might be or how well-run and -produced are in no way journalism.


Bah humbug...
So, I’ve a Times sub based on many, many years of good and broad content in my own humble opinion. For this tripe, you are paying for creator content and large salaries for these click baiters.

they are not better than Instagrammers/you tubers
 
Otherwise you are relying on personal sites like this one, Toffeeweb, and random blogs, which however attractive they might be or how well-run and -produced are in no way journalism.

This is my point. For example, why pay for a Q&A with Greg O'Keefe guessing what the starting line up might be next weekend when you can read hundreds of such opinions on here?
 
This is my point. For example, why pay for a Q&A with Greg O'Keefe guessing what the starting line up might be next weekend when you can read hundreds of such opinions on here?
I agree totally. You can read that every day on the Echo and just about as interesting. But tbf to them it's more of a marketing move (imo) to show that subscribers' views are interesting. And you don't get the usual plonkers in the comments like you would do on the BBC or the Echo.

They have to provide much more than that, but having that is not a reason not to subscribe (unless that's all it ends up being). O'Keefe and Boyland should have enough knowledge between them to know where the interesting stories are and to write them for 12 months or so. And if not, I'll cancel my relatively cheap subscription.

they are not better than Instagrammers/you tubers
Many many years ago, I used to be a print journalist (around the time when free newspapers first started, thus my comment).

I still create content online and it pays for my mortgage and most other things. That doesn't mean I can ignore market realities in my niche, like so many do - both online and offline. What it comes down to is what I provide that other people find it difficult or impossible or unprofitable to replicate, in exactly the same way that Dan does here. GOT has grown under good management and leadership and is currently 'the' Everton community. That is now GOT's USP which makes it difficult for others to challenge it.

(I'm not saying that it brings in a fortune for the owners, just pointing out how you can target a particular niche which you then command.)
 
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