Martínez is transforming Everton

[Moomin]

He Scored more goals than Kone.

Klaus Thomsen scored more than Kone.

 

[davek]

Its an abysmal point, if you add up everything he spent and ignore selling his players, duration, the amount of players he bought, Moyes spent 150mil. That is the start, the middle and the end of his point and shows literally nothing about his available funds.
But according to some its more useful than net.

It's not. deathbyropeandglass wasn't making the polar opposite case about gross spend being the guide. He was saying there are cases when operating on negative net spends doesn't necessarily give someone a free pass.

Anyway, it's his point, and I'm sure he can argue it better than me.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Natural transformation lads. Times are changing

 

[Ihaters]

It's not. deathbyropeandglass wasn't making the polar opposite case about gross spend being the guide. He was saying there are cases when operating on negative net spends doesn't necessarily give someone a free pass.

Anyway, it's his point, and I'm sure he can argue it better than me.

No, he's saying Moyes spent 150mil, that's the entirety of the point. Not saying he's wrong, just that its a rubbish point. It was so pants that I was looking for more in it, but no all he was saying was that Moyes spent 150mil.

Ignore everything and just work out what he bought and that comes to around 150 mil, therefore Moyes hasn't had virtually nothing to spend.

That's it in its entirety. Moyes didn't receive virtually no spend, he's had 150mil. Like I say its a pants point because the fact is, he's had very little to spend and the 150mil was not his to build a squad, its just the sum of all his signings.

 

[Raymondo077]

Seems to me that CUP FINAL loss was the difference to David Moyes standing..

Guess we,ll never know now, still think the lad did a great job for us, had the result gone our way that day would he be given a place in Everton folklore?

Serious question like,,, would he?....... 90 minutes FFS!!!

 

[Ihaters]

Natural transformation lads. Times are changing

What is going on in your avatar?

Looks like a nuke going off on Mars, whilst a cartoon owl sat on a stargate fails to see a suprised squirrel.

 

[davek]

Seems to me that CUP FINAL loss was the difference to David Moyes standing..

Guess we,ll never know now, still think the lad did a great job for us, had the result gone our way that day would he be given a place in Everton folklore?

Serious question like,,, would he?....... 90 minutes FFS!!!

It's a fair point. I'd actually hold him to task over the SF defeat to Liverpool more than the Final defeat to Chelsea. If he'd have gotten us past Liverpool in a major game like that and into a final he could have also gotten the kudos some believe he deserves.

But he didn't. He played negative, hold out football and squandered a golden chance to beat another piss poor Liverpool team. Because he didn't have the boldness that gives players self-belief to get the job done.

He, therefore, doesn't stand on the same mantle as a Joe Royle. For all his 'high end' finishes he was not a success.

 

[Sozzled]

Moyes at Everton: spent about 10th most on transfers and wages (or 10th least, if you prefer) = average 7th/8th place finishes in his time here.

Yes, 'did well', but no cigar.

That's all folks

 

[Raymondo077]

But no where in that reply have you answered the question Davek...... Would he?

 

[nigelcoyb]

Seems to me that CUP FINAL loss was the difference to David Moyes standing..

Guess we,ll never know now, still think the lad did a great job for us, had the result gone our way that day would he be given a place in Everton folklore?

Serious question like,,, would he?....... 90 minutes FFS!!!

Of course he would, silverware is everything us winning a trophy in the years of oil sheikhs and russian billionaires would have 10 times the impact of say Utd winning the FA cup.

He would of have been a winner all his critics (me included) would willingly have ate humble pie, seeing the club genuinely successful with a pot to prove it is what it's about. One of the things Moyes devotees lose sight of is no evertonian actually WANTS to criticise any club employee - they have to be doing something iffy to receive the criticism Moyes got.

He would of been gone the next season though - Spurs/Chelsea etc.

 

[davek]

But no where in that reply have you answered the question Davek...... Would he?

If he'd a have lifted a cup, yes.

But he didn't. He wasn't astute enough. Good enough to get you above the PL dross; not good enough to make a mark where silverware is concerned.

 

[Ihaters]

That's all folks

Not sure that's how it works mate. There are a lot of flaws in his post there.

 

[Raymondo077]

Cheers mate, one game hey!

 

[Goat]

Not sure that's how it works mate. There are a lot of flaws in his post there.

Yeah, lets totally ignore the 33 clubs that suffered relegation in his 11 years.

Your wasting your time mate, "they" wont see it, "they" simply dont understand, "they" are blinded by the 3-0 defeat at Anfield.

Bitter blues, each and every one of "them".

 

[nigelcoyb]

Cheers mate, one game hey!

Exactly .... 11 years to win one such game and it never happened.