Martínez is transforming Everton

[steken1]

I didn't say he'd be viewed badly, I said his 'achievements' would be met with a shrug of the shoulders. And that, in all fairness, is what they are worth.

In the pantheon of Everton heroes he's not even worth wasting a seconds thought on for a place....that's reserved for winners.

Lets just hope the same goes for the charlatan being defended by default when talking about if he had money to spend.

 

[davek]

Lets just hope the same goes for the charlatan being defended by default when talking about if he had money to spend.

Been saying it for years: he's down there with John Houlding as the most despicable figure in the club's history.

 

[Ihaters]

Lets just hope the same goes for the charlatan being defended by default when talking about if he had money to spend.

From the arguments I've been receiving in this very thread, Bill gave Moyes over 150mil to spend. That's a great chairman surely?

 

[davek]

From the arguments I've been receiving in this very thread, Bill gave Moyes over 150mil to spend. That's a great chairman surely?

I think it's a bit more mundane than that. Kenwright gave him nothing, but the recycled assets in blue jerseys allowed Moyes to bring in players to compete - and his judgement on players, generally speaking, was good enough to allow us to compete better than we could have expected.

That's it really. Not a big controversy.

 

[arminisgod]

There's no point denying that Moyes did an excellent job of making very little money go a very long way. His sycophantic public fawning over a truly dreadful board/owner made it difficult for me to sympathise with him, but if we're dealing purely with figures then it's difficult to criticise.

All the positivity surrounding Martinez is great, but at some point he's going to feel the pinch. I hope we never see him have to cope with going three years without buying a first team player.

i doubt we will. He has already shown a ruthless side by selling players to fund players arriving. Something Moyes seemed incapable and unwilling to do.

 

[Ihaters]

I think it's a bit more mundane than that. Kenwright gave him nothing, but the recycled assets in blue jerseys allowed Moyes to bring in players to compete - and his judgement on players, generally speaking, was good enough to allow us to compete better than we could have expected.

That's it really. Not a big controversy.

I know, it seems obvious to me, but apparently net spend is irrelevent, and Moyes has spent 150 mil.

 

[Goat]

i doubt we will. He has already shown a ruthless side by selling players to fund players arriving. Something Moyes seemed incapable and unwilling to do.

Did you really just type that?

 

[Goat]

i doubt we will. He has already shown a ruthless side by selling players to fund players arriving. Something Moyes seemed incapable and unwilling to do.

Just to refresh your memory, heres a list of the first team players that Moyes sold in the time that he was "incapable and unwilling".

Jermaine Beckford £4,000,000
Mikel Arteta £10,000,000
Yakubu Aiyegbeni £1,500,000
Dinyar Bilyaletdinov £5,000,000
Steven Pienaar £3,000,000

 

[davek]

I know, it seems obvious to me, but apparently net spend is irrelevent, and Moyes has spent 150 mil.

I do see what deathbyropeandglass is saying though. It's a decent point. And I dont think he was saying it's irrelevant - just not the whole story.

 

[Carlito]

i doubt we will. He has already shown a ruthless side by selling players to fund players arriving. Something Moyes seemed incapable and unwilling to do.

While I don't think we can really say whether or not Martinez has a ruthless streak until he has to make a decision on one of his own players (e.g. McCarthy) down the line, I agree that Moyes was weak in this regard.

Quite a few ageing players were handed lucrative long-term deals at a time when they should have been moved on before their values diminished.

 

[Goat]

This thread is giving me Malaria.

 

[blueser]

4 mill for beckford is good business

 

[Goat]

4 mill for beckford is good business

He Scored more goals than Kone.

 

[Ihaters]

I do see what deathbyropeandglass is saying though. It's a decent point. And I dont think he was saying it's irrelevant - just not the whole story.

Its an abysmal point, if you add up everything he spent and ignore selling his players, duration, the amount of players he bought, Moyes spent 150mil. That is the start, the middle and the end of his point and shows literally nothing about his available funds.
But according to some its more useful than net.

 

[Ihaters]

He Scored more goals than Kone.

So far... Lets not be too defeatist.