2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Again, Martinez wasn't sacked because of the league placing, as such.

He was sacked because it was two-successive bottom-half finishes, maybe, but in the main it was because his style of football had been figured out and he showed no signs that he could change his ways.

Also players downed tools and it was rumoured they started stabbing him in the back Toff.

 

[bluestevon]

Yes, agree there, although he does alright at Frankfurt because he plays in a proper front three, with players buzzing about him.

Just shows how difficult it is.

Your boy Wesley looks the ideal type, but there's no guarantee that he'd do well. Because the only strikers that guarantee success are all at the best clubs.

No striker guarantees success mate, look at some of the ones Chelsea have had who've utterly flopped

 

[BlueToff]

Also players downed tools and it was rumoured they started stabbing him in the back Toff.

Yep, should have added that in. It looked like the dressing room had completely lost faith.

It wasn't merely because we finished where we did, although successive bottom-half finishes weren't great, obviously.

The situation with Martinez was untenable, because it didn't look like it would get any better. The players had lost faith and Martinez was too stubborn to adapt his style.

Silva's four months into his tenure and so far I'd say we're right about where we should be albeit we have created enough opportunities to be higher.

Improvements to be made but shouts that 'he should be sacked if he finishes below 8th' or whatever are nonsense.

Not saying he's not open to criticism. I don't understand, for example, why he chose to play out from the back in the way we did at City. You can still play out from the back without splitting the CBs on the byline like we did. We could have used the full-backs and got up the pitch that way, for example.

But in the main it's a work in progress and everyone needs to just take a back seat and appreciate that. It will be frustrating at times and I have no doubt that we'll go through another bad run. But in equal measure I'm confident we'll go on two good runs because that's just the type of team we are at the moment.

 

[BlueToff]

No striker guarantees success mate, look at some of the ones Chelsea have had who've utterly flopped

Exactly mate. So the shouts of 'we never replaced Rom' just grind my gears.

We've signed five forwards since Rom left (Sandro, Rooney, Tosun, Richarlison, Walcott). It's not like we haven't tried to address the issue. It's just that unless you're a CL/title-winning club who can spend £100m on a player then everything is a gamble, really.

Alcacer has torn it up in the Bundesliga but there's no guarantee he'd have done so in the Prem, for example.

 

[bluestevon]

Exactly mate. So the shouts of 'we never replaced Rom' just grind my gears.

We've signed five forwards since Rom left (Sandro, Rooney, Tosun, Richarlison, Walcott). It's not like we haven't tried to address the issue. It's just that unless you're a CL/title-winning club who can spend £100m on a player then everything is a gamble, really.

Alcacer has torn it up in the Bundesliga but there's no guarantee he'd have done so in the Prem, for example.

Same for Andre Silva who left Milan and is now looking every bit a top player at Seville, i suggested he'd be worth a gamble during the summer, turns out he would have been, but could easily have flopped massively.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Yep, should have added that in. It looked like the dressing room had completely lost faith.

It wasn't merely because we finished where we did, although successive bottom-half finishes weren't great, obviously.

The situation with Martinez was untenable, because it didn't look like it would get any better. The players had lost faith and Martinez was too stubborn to adapt his style.

Silva's four months into his tenure and so far I'd say we're right about where we should be albeit we have created enough opportunities to be higher.

Improvements to be made but shouts that 'he should be sacked if he finishes below 8th' or whatever are nonsense.

Not saying he's not open to criticism. I don't understand, for example, why he chose to play out from the back in the way we did at City. You can still play out from the back without splitting the CBs on the byline like we did. We could have used the full-backs and got up the pitch that way, for example.

But in the main it's a work in progress and everyone needs to just take a back seat and appreciate that. It will be frustrating at times and I have no doubt that we'll go through another bad run. But in equal measure I'm confident we'll go on two good runs because that's just the type of team we are at the moment.

Deffo mate. We need stability at the club going forward now, and Silva (IMO) is that man to do it, those saying he should be sacked if we finish below 8th are absolute loons.

 

[EverBlue92]

He needs to be given the full season definitely however if we sign 1-2 players in Janaury including a good striker and we finish lower than 7th and still no improvement on performances against clubs around us then I would want him out tbh.

Too many fans lack ambition- under Moyes/Roberto I accepted the odd 6th/7th finish followed by the odd 10/11th place because they had little funds to work with.

Our managers performance should be based on points on the board and finishing position in comparison to our competitors based on the resources we have to them and we currently are spending the highest resources outside the top 6 so anything less than 7th for a manager with a patchy managerial record for me isn't good enough to argue things could get better.

Obviously a strong FA Cup run would possibly change that if we finished say 8th, however anything less is unacceptable when you consider the money put in from the owner compared to clubs around us like Watford, Bournemouth etc.

The fans moan about lack of ambition from the board and players? Maybe they need to look at themselves first. Utd will sack Jose come the summer because the resources they have should have them higher than 6th and performing better against sides they deem are their competitors.

You wont have Utd fans saying "ah well Jose is a good fella and we've chopped and changed loads recently we need to give him 3 more seasons and have stability and see what he can do with his own side". Same with Chelsea fans etc and thats why those clubs win trophies whilst we haven't won a carrot in over two decades.

 

[APN_EFC]

Again, Martinez wasn't sacked because of the league placing, as such.

He was sacked because it was two-successive bottom-half finishes, maybe, but in the main it was because his style of football had been figured out and he showed no signs that he could change his ways.

Yes I totally agree. The only other way he survives a 15th place , or bottom half place, is that he's showing signs of progress, but then again, if we show signs of progress, then you have to end up 7th, cos Leicester etc are so inconsistent.

 

[BlueToff]

He needs to be given the full season definitely however if we sign 1-2 players in Janaury including a good striker and we finish lower than 7th and still no improvement on performances against clubs around us then I would want him out tbh.

Too many fans lack ambition- under Moyes/Roberto I accepted the odd 6th/7th finish followed by the odd 10/11th place because they had little funds to work with.

Our managers performance should be based on points on the board and finishing position in comparison to our competitors based on the resources we have to them and we currently are spending the highest resources outside the top 6 so anything less than 7th for a manager with a patchy managerial record for me isn't good enough to argue things could get better.

Obviously a strong FA Cup run would possibly change that if we finished say 8th, however anything less is unacceptable when you consider the money put in from the owner compared to clubs around us like Watford, Bournemouth etc.

The fans moan about lack of ambition from the board and players? Maybe they need to look at themselves first. Utd will sack Jose come the summer because the resources they have should have them higher than 6th and performing better against sides they deem are their competitors.

You wont have Utd fans saying "ah well Jose is a good fella need to give him 3 more seasons to see what he can do with his own side". Same with Chelsea fans etc and thats why those clubs win trophies whilst we haven't won a carrot in over two decades.

But, as Spurs have shown, the best way to try and bridge that gap isn't by hiring and firing at will. It's about getting a strong manager with a style and system who wants to build something, and ensuring that the tools are in play to help them do that.

Pochettino hasn't won a thing in his managerial career. By your logic, you'd be sacking him if you were in charge at Spurs?

 

[EverBlue92]

But, as Spurs have shown, the best way to try and bridge that gap isn't by hiring and firing at will. It's about getting a strong manager with a style and system who wants to build something, and ensuring that the tools are in play to help them do that.

Pochettino hasn't won a thing in his managerial career. By your logic, you'd be sacking him if you were in charge at Spurs.

Spurs hired and fired at will UNTIL they stumbled across Poch mate. People forget Spurs were ruthless with managers like Jol, Ramos, AVB etc. If Levy found them underperforming.

If Poch had Spurs in 10th below sides like Watford and Bournemouth in his first season after spending £120 million + whilst those sides spent a 1/4 of that no way on earth would he have kept his job.

 

[BlueToff]

Spurs hired and fired at will UNTIL they stumbled across Poch mate. People forget Spurs were ruthless with managers like Jol, Ramos, AVB etc. If Levy found them underperforming.

If Poch had Spurs in 10th below sides like Watford and Bournemouth in his first season after spending £120 million + whilst those sides spent a 1/4 of that no way on earth would he have kept his job.

Yes, and their ruthlessness got them nowhere...

And as I've already posted, Spurs were in exactly the same position at this stage in his first season as we are now.

 

[hktoffee]

lol, so we were the only ones who spent money?

Use a calculator and see how much we spend since Moshiri took over. May even spend more than Arsenal, net. The like in West Ham can’t be compared. They only spend for like a season.

 

[Neiler]

Think we have been spoilt recently with good results.

It takes a while for a new manager to implement a new philosophy and we certainly have that.

Its refreshing to be going toe to toe with City and like.

I admire his cahonna's in continuing to play from the back and always looking to be positive in an attacking sense.

Its like turning a tanker around though after the philosophy last season thats still embedded.

A year to run the antivirus, patch up a few holes in recruitment and go again next season.

Totally expected what we are seeing, boom and bust results.

Get into the Europa and will have had an exceptional season.

 

[hktoffee]

Sam didn't get sacked because we finished 8th. Sam got sacked because he was a dinosaur who would set the club even further back in the long run.

Silva isn't, and my point is that the club will view a short-term set-back with the perspective that we are attempting to build something sustainable moving forward.

Honestly don’t understand why there should be a short term setback (being crap) and somehow it deems as normal.

If one cannot do the basic instantly, then honestly don’t understand how it will suddenly goes well after the next summer.

Same has been said when Martinez and Koemam were here.

Just do the basic and do well at home then surely Silva will be fine.

 

[GwladysPhil]

The derby result and circumstances has completely knocked us down tbh.