2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[dholliday]

I think We are on the same page. If it’s no better by Christmas, Dyche will be flavour of the month.

more boot-in-pudding lol

Changing manager is not the answer. It’s what this group of spineless coward players want. If they get even a sniff of chance that Moshiri might fire him they’ll make it so. We need to be sending out a message to the players hat they will be the ones being punted before Silva if performances stay as they have been the last few seasons.

Not really possible to just replace so many players in one go, then expect their replacements (assuming we find them in the same timespan) to do any better.

That's why the buck always stops with the manager. If the players are under-performing under different managers, then they haven't had a good-enough manager sorting them out.

In such cases it's normally 2 or 3 of the old guard causing trouble or a small clique of arses, in our case bigging up Baines instead of Martinez has likely backfired badly as since then he's under-performed and Martinez has done alright.

A good manager can get better performances out of what he's got, and unceremoniously bin the small handful who still aren't getting it, while promoting promising talent.

The buck stops with Marco.

 

[streeky]

Just wondering what people on here think about the fact that Everton being a large club, we tend to hire experienced mangers with some good seasons or cup wins etc behind them. Problem with them seems to be they have found a system that worked with a group of players and think they have cracked it. Moving to another club(us) they trot out the same ethos that worked before, but fail miserably because the squads different. The manager we seem to need is someone young enough to adapt a team and system to match his squad and keep adapting. Sean dyche at Burnley seems to be young intelligent in this mould.

 

[dholliday]

There's no way we can apportion any blame for results whilst he's only got this group to work with, they aren't up to it, Silva is the least of our worries, we need a new squad near enough.

Hyperbolic nonsense. Only this time last year we thought we had the strongest squad in a decade and had high hopes for a very good season.

The key is what the manager does with what he's got.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Hyperbolic nonsense. Only this time last year we thought we had the strongest squad in a decade and had high hopes for a very good season.

The key is what the manager does with what he's got.

We've had 4 managers all struggle to do anything with the squad. Even. Allardyce struggled to get a functioning defence out of this lot. At some point we need to acknowledge that the issue lies beyond the manager.

 

[streeky]

Our defence struggled to keep clean sheets under Allardyce, we conceded 3 against a West Ham team who were on holiday FFS. No matter how defensive we were to play, there's no way we could keep clean sheets with the defence we have now. From what Coleman said, he's trying to play a compact team, but the players just can't do it. They've got no pace and hence no ability to recover if the ball goes beyond them. Jagielka used to be able to, but time had long since caught up with him.

Playing Ghana and the coward is compounding the lack of pace at the back also.

 

[BernieH]

Hyperbolic nonsense. Only this time last year we thought we had the strongest squad in a decade and had high hopes for a very good season.

The key is what the manager does with what he's got.

And they were terrible, no matter who played and it's carried into pre season so how is it hyperbolic nonsense, the majority need replacing, it is there for you to see every bloody week. We are also trying to shift most of last summer's buys, so yes we were wrong for getting excited we overspent on utter tosh didn't we captain hindsight.

 

[Abraders]

Everyone wanted him here in November. No wanted him here six months later. People need to stop spunking in there pants. Unless we are in relegation trouble he needs to stay for a season else we are a laughing stock and unable to get any manager.

Definitely didn't want him in Nov. That would've been guaranteed relegation.

 

[dholliday]

We've had 4 managers all struggle to do anything with the squad. Even. Allardyce struggled to get a functioning defence out of this lot. At some point we need to acknowledge that the issue lies beyond the manager.

No he didn't. We didn't concede many goals at all when playing the bottom 13 clubs, and even against the top 6 we mostly didn't concede many. Sam's style was dealthy-dull, but he deffo wasn't struggling to get his defence working effectively.

 

[dholliday]

And they were terrible, no matter who played and it's carried into pre season so how is it hyperbolic nonsense, the majority need replacing, it is there for you to see every bloody week. We are also trying to shift most of last summer's buys, so yes we were wrong for getting excited we overspent on utter tosh didn't we captain hindsight.

Not possible, as already stated.

The boss needs to work with what he's got.

 

[BernieH]

Not possible, as already stated.

The boss needs to work with what he's got.

I didn't say it was possible, especially in one window, I said it needed doing because the majority of them aren't and haven't been performing anywhere near the required level.

 

[dholliday]

I didn't say it was possible, especially in one window, I said it needed doing because the majority of them aren't and haven't been performing anywhere near the required level.

It's never been feasible for any club to replace all their players if things aren't going well. It's just not a done thing, even over several windows.

The done thing is to trial-n-error until a sound manager sorts the place out. You'll be surprised how many of those supposed under-performers are actually quite good when coached better.

That teams change their personell over many seasons is also the done thing...but not with the aim of totally replacing an entire squad. We're not playing Champ Manager on the computer, mate.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

No he didn't. We didn't concede many goals at all when playing the bottom 13 clubs, and even against the top 6 we mostly didn't concede many. Sam's style was dealthy-dull, but he deffo wasn't struggling to get his defence working effectively.

We conceded 2 against Burnley, 1 against Watford, 2 against Bournemouth 3 against a West Ham team on holiday, 2 against Utd, 4 against Spurs and 5 against an Arsenal team in bad form. Even Swansea and Stoke scored against us.
The team's we kept clean sheets against were Huddersfield X2, Newcastle X2, Chelsea, West Brom, Brighton and the RS.

The defence under Allardyce did not work.

 

[BernieH]

It's never been feasible for any club to replace all their players if things aren't going well. It's just not a done thing, even over several windows.

The done thing is to trial-n-error until a sound manager sorts the place out. You'll be surprised how many of those supposed under-performers are actually quite good when coached better.

That teams change their personell over many seasons is also the done thing...but not with the aim of totally replacing an entire squad. We're not playing Champ Manager on the computer, mate.

4 managers they've had ffs at what point would you like to apportion some blame on the underperformance of this group of players. Once again I didn't say it would be done quickly I said that the majority of this group aren't good enough or too old. So take your football manager comment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine you condescending ignoramus.

 

[dholliday]

The defence under Allardyce did not work.

It plainly did work. Sam's job was to sort out the defence as we were shipping goals, to thus get points on the board which would stave off relegation fears.

He very clearly did that job, in comparison to what went on before. You even listed a bunch of clean sheets (including vs Chelsea & RS), something which seemed impossible before he came in. The odd game where we conceded a few isn't proof for your argument.

8th position and 10 clean sheets is proof against your argument.

 

[dholliday]

4 managers they've had ffs at what point would you like to apportion some blame on the underperformance of this group of players. Once again I didn't say it would be done quickly I said that the majority of this group aren't good enough or too old. So take your football manager comment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine you condescending ignoramus.

As I've said a few times, it's not feasible to replace an entire squad of players in any timeframe. No club ever does this as the logistics & planning are just too stupendous.

You don't understand how club football works, and it hurts as your computer game made it look so easy. But harsh lessons bring the most rewards.