Making a Murderer Documentary on Netflix

[Hellerad]

So do you believe he killed the girl

I haven't seen it so I won't comment. And I shouldn't either way, as watching a TV show isn't the same as seeing the evidence for yourself without editing and producers tinkering with narrative.

It's a complicated situation. There are constitutional protections at play that, in front of the right judge or jury, could eliminate much of the evidence against him. And without that evidence, it is hard to meet the burden of proof: beyond a reasonable doubt.

But failing to convict based on breach of procedure has zero correlation to whether he killed her or not. Only two (or maybe three) people know the truth of that and one of them is dead. Everything else is a judgment which I'm not qualified to give.

It is all a sad situation.

 

[caught]

To be honest, whether he got convicted or not this investigation forced him to settle on a civil suit worth potentially $36 million for him. If he hadn't settled that law suit he could have ended up getting railroaded by a shyster like Brendan's public defense attorney. Whether he actually got convicted or not that Sherriff's department has saved potentially millions as a result. What really undid the defense was not being allowed to argue the frame up job with named suspects such as the two cops Lenk and Colbourn because the judge ruled that they could only suggest Brendan as an alternative suspect.

Quite possibly. They actually did draw up a list of potential suspects, although of course couldn't name them in court. Top of it was Brendan's mother's partner (Scott Tadych), who testified for the prosecution in the trial.

Here's the document, listing Tadych's history of assault: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery document page 23 +.pdf

 

[Jags..class]

Quite possibly. They actually did draw up a list of potential suspects, although of course couldn't name them in court. Top of it was Brendan's mother's partner (Scott Tadych), who testified for the prosecution in the trial.

Here's the document, listing Tadych's history of assault: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery document page 23 +.pdf

I haven't seen it so I won't comment. And I shouldn't either way, as watching a TV show isn't the same as seeing the evidence for yourself without editing and producers tinkering with narrative.

It's a complicated situation. There are constitutional protections at play that, in front of the right judge or jury, could eliminate much of the evidence against him. And without that evidence, it is hard to meet the burden of proof: beyond a reasonable doubt.

But failing to convict based on breach of procedure has zero correlation to whether he killed her or not. Only two (or maybe three) people know the truth of that and one of them is dead. Everything else is a judgment which I'm not qualified to give.

It is all a sad situation.

I thought the title meant the police were making a murderer

 

[Hellerad]

I thought the title meant the police were making a murderer

I think its more clever than that. It can be read two ways.

And as cold as it seems, because its a man's life in the balance (not to mention justice for the woman) the real importance of the documentary is to point out that we put a lot of faith in police and the justice system when wrongful convictions are a reality.

These wrongful convictions happen most often when the local media fans passions. The people demand "justice" without letting investigations take place. Investigations are rushed and narratives are bent when police are under political pressure.

When a police officer's career can be ended by elected officials or when judge's are worried about losing their next election if they make an unpopular ruling, public pressure leads to false convictions.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

If he was guilty of this crime or not he still looked the type so would have no doubt only committed something else anyway.

 

[Efcjake]

I think its more clever than that. It can be read two ways.

And as cold as it seems, because its a man's life in the balance (not to mention justice for the woman) the real importance of the documentary is to point out that we put a lot of faith in police and the justice system when wrongful convictions are a reality.

These wrongful convictions happen most often when the local media fans passions. The people demand "justice" without letting investigations take place. Investigations are rushed and narratives are bent when police are under political pressure.

When a police officer's career can be ended by elected officials or when judge's are worried about losing their next election if they make an unpopular ruling, public pressure leads to false convictions.

I agree 100%. The documentary is not enough to really be convinced one way or another towards their guilt, but it is enough to demonstrate that the two defendants may not have received a fair trial. The fact that both accused were publically known by all jurors at the time of their selection and had been influenced by the media, the fact that the defense was not allowed to name any other suspects, and the obvious breaches of protocol and conflicts of interest in the investigation.

 

[Hellerad]

If he was guilty of this crime or not he still looked the type so would have no doubt only committed something else anyway.

Luckily, our justice system is supposed to protect people from your viewpoint.

To quote Sir William Blackstone, "All presumptive evidence of felony should be admitted cautiously; for the law holds it better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent party suffer."

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Don't any of you people have jobs?

 

[Hellerad]

Don't any of you people have jobs?

I'm at work now.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Luckily, our justice system is supposed to protect people from your viewpoint.

To quote Sir William Blackstone, "All presumptive evidence of felony should be admitted cautiously; for the law holds it better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent party suffer."

It was a joke mate.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Don't any of you people have jobs?

Not of an evening.

 

[Hellerad]

It was a joke mate.

Ah, apologies then. I had my sarcasm font temporarily disabled. Carry on, sir.

 

[Wizard]

Quite possibly. They actually did draw up a list of potential suspects, although of course couldn't name them in court. Top of it was Brendan's mother's partner (Scott Tadych), who testified for the prosecution in the trial.

Here's the document, listing Tadych's history of assault: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery document page 23 +.pdf

Brendan's brother Bobby seemed dodgy too. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the two of them that did it.

 

[McBain]

If he was guilty of this crime or not he still looked the type so would have no doubt only committed something else anyway.

Are you Ken Kratz?

 

[Lee Smith]

A couple of my mates had been suggesting I watch this for a couple of weeks as they knew I loved The Jinx (Robert Durst Doc), so I decided to start it last night....

"Yeah goodnight love, I'll come to bed in an hour, just staying up to watch the first episode of that Making a Murderer thing....."

Anyway, literally 8 episodes and 8 hours later I finally crawl into bed at 5am. Watched the last two this morning when I woke up. Spent the rest of the day reading up more on it on various websites.

Amazing TV.