Making a Murderer Documentary on Netflix

[bignev23]

Spoiler

I'm up to when Avery's defence have just received the blood sample from the old case and it has obviously been tampered with as the tape is cut and there is a small hole in the top of the vial with the blood in where a syringe or something has been used to take some blood, which would account for the blood in the missing girls car.

The whole concept of reasonable doubt or "Innocent until proven guilty" goes out of the window with this case. They immediately zero-d in on Steven Avery as the primary suspect when there were so many other people with access to the lot. They didn't rule out any other suspects, for the most part they didn't interrogate them. The county police dept. who had a massive conflict of interest in the case were continuously involved when they shouldn't have been. The evidence presented is highly questionable and doesn't necessarily indicate that the prosecution's argument of how they say this transpired is the ONLY way it could have happened.

Also just goes to show the difference in what happens to a person once arrested if they can afford a decent Lawyer or are assigned a local defence paid for by the state but that second case is mental isn't it. I've been sticking by him all the way so far.

 

[Efcjake]

BOOM !!

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/making-a-murderer.81891/

@ijjysmith look what I did

Whoops, should've bumped the old thread instead of making a new one.

Perhaps a mod would merge them for us??

 

[l4toffee]

Is This about Liverpool fans on there euro adventures ?

 

[Pat's Van]

Whoops, should've bumped the old thread instead of making a new on.

Perhaps a mod would merge them for us??

it's alright I've sorted it, we're gonna give you a pass

this time

 

[Efcjake]

Spoiler

I'm up to when Avery's defence have just received the blood sample from the old case and it has obviously been tampered with as the tape is cut and there is a small hole in the top of the vial with the blood in where a syringe or something has been used to take some blood, which would account for the blood in the missing girls car.

Also just goes to show the difference in what happens to a person once arrested if they can afford a decent Lawyer or are assigned a local defence paid for by the state but that second case is mental isn't it. I've been sticking by him all the way so far.

Spoiler

My heart goes out to the 16 year old who is seemingly coerced into a confession. He consistently gave the same statement providing an alibi for Steven when he was allowed to give a statement without external influence. When he is being interrogated before "confessing" (without parents or lawyers present, mind you) you can see him trying to work out exactly what they want from him before they will let him go back to school to hand in a project. He doesn't provide any of the details, they're all from probing and suggestive questions to support evidence that wasn't found in a search of the property until 4/5 months after the initial 8-day search of the property. Then when he does give them the details they want, none of them makes sense and there is very little DNA evidence to support the bloody tale he gives them.

 

[bignev23]

Spoiler

My heart goes out to the 16 year old who is seemingly coerced into a confession. He consistently gave the same statement providing an alibi for Steven when he was allowed to give a statement without external influence. When he is being interrogated before "confessing" (without parents or lawyers present, mind you) you can see him trying to work out exactly what they want from him before they will let him go back to school to hand in a project. He doesn't provide any of the details, they're all from probing and suggestive questions to support evidence that wasn't found in a search of the property until 4/5 months after the initial 8-day search of the property. Then when he does give them the details they want, none of them makes sense and there is very little DNA evidence to support the bloody tale he gives them.

It was ironic they where pushing him for 'Honesty' whilst being utter scumbags who would do anything to get a confession.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Spoiler

There is a tremendous scene with one of the officers on the stand (who was part of the original frame up also) where he is listening back to a dispatch call where he gives the licence plate of the dead girls car & then he himself gives the make, model & colour of the car, which of course he could only do if he was standing in front of it. His eyes nearly pop out of his head when he realises the significance of it.

 

[Efcjake]

Spoiler

There is a tremendous scene with one of the officers on the stand (who was part of the original frame up also) where he is listening back to a dispatch call where he gives the licence plate of the dead girls car & then he himself gives the make, model & colour of the car, which of course he could only do if he was standing in front of it. His eyes nearly pop out of his head when he realises the significance of it.

Spoiler

I've seen this one thrown around the net a bit, while it is suspicious I don't think you can say he could only do if he was standing in front of it. In the 2nd or 3rd episode I believe the news reports were putting pictures of the car out there with the licence plate info and make, year, and colour. He does have an "Oh ****" moment there though.

 

[Efcjake]

It was ironic they where pushing him for 'Honesty' whilst being utter scumbags who would do anything to get a confession.

Those cops are trained with different techniques for interviews and interrogations and how to treat persons of interest versus suspects. From the second that kid walks in they are conducting that interrogation with the intent of producing a confession, they are not gathering details they're directing him towards details which support their narrative. They manipulate him into believing that he isn't being honest and that his mother will get upset at him. They tell him they have evidence he was involved and that they already know what happened but they need him to be honest so that they can protect him in court.

 

[bignev23]

Those cops are trained with different techniques for interviews and interrogations and how to treat persons of interest versus suspects. From the second that kid walks in they are conducting that interrogation with the intent of producing a confession, they are not gathering details they're directing him towards details which support their narrative. They manipulate him into believing that he isn't being honest and that his mother will get upset at him. They tell him they have evidence he was involved and that they already know what happened but they need him to be honest so that they can protect him in court.

They led him on all the way, not once did he come up with the answer before the detective suggested it.

 

[bignev23]

Spoiler

There is a tremendous scene with one of the officers on the stand (who was part of the original frame up also) where he is listening back to a dispatch call where he gives the licence plate of the dead girls car & then he himself gives the make, model & colour of the car, which of course he could only do if he was standing in front of it. His eyes nearly pop out of his head when he realises the significance of it.

Oh Wow, I'm not that far into it yet and prob shouldn't have read that spoiler but that's nuts.

 

[Efcjake]

They led him on all the way, not once did he come up with the answer before the detective suggested it.

I'd seen it suggested that the only thing he offered up freely was that the Rav 4 was hidden by sticks and wood. He would have known that because I'm fairly sure that the pictures of the car taken by the victim's cousin were released to media before his second interrogation and confession.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Spoiler

I've seen this one thrown around the net a bit, while it is suspicious I don't think you can say he could only do if he was standing in front of it. In the 2nd or 3rd episode I believe the news reports were putting pictures of the car out there with the licence plate info and make, year, and colour. He does have an "Oh ****" moment there though.

Spoiler

It was two days before it was found on the Avery lot. I cant think of any reason to make that call unless you are looking at the car, that you would give the plate first and not the make model instead.

 

[Efcjake]

Spoiler

It was two days before it was found on the Avery lot. I cant think of any reason to make that call unless you are looking at the car, that you would give the plate first and not the make model instead.

Spoiler

Two days before it was found on the lot but that information was still in the public domain. Still very suspicious

 

[dublinbluenose]

Spoiler

Two days before it was found on the lot but that information was still in the public domain. Still very suspicious

Spoiler: last one I promise

But the call makes no sense unless he had either seen a similar car, then he would call in the plates of that car to rule it out, or he was identifying her car as he had seen it/was looking at it. Maybe there is another explanation, but the look on his face was priceless.