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Baines' left foot said:
He really has stepped up recently. I hope Martinez can get him, Barkley and Deulofeu playing well together at some point in the run in.
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I think Mirallas, Barkley and Deulofeu will definitely perform for us - but the issue is getting the forward man to make their work up to the final third actually mean something. Lukaku's performances lately have been like playing with 10 men as everything breaks down the moment it goes near him.

If this Traore is the real deal, then perhaps that's the answer, but honestly not having a striker in on a permanent to fit the system when we have an outside chance of Europe and £15-20m in the bank (or should have) is nothing short of ridiculous.
 

Could it perhaps be that instead of every striker we sign being rubbish, that we're just not using them correctly, or giving them the correct service ?

Crazy thought i know, but i don't think it's as crazy as assuming there's some voodoo curse that every striker we sign seems to have a good start and then go crap.

Lukaku puts in plenty of effort btw, people seem to think somebody is being lazy if they don't score goals. The lad ends up running down the wing half the time in an effort to get involved in the play and get on the ball, he's far from lazy. Whenever we get possession he asks for the ball, and always looks for a run to make.

I believe the main issue is that we still don't have an Arteta 08 type player who will thread a ball through for him to run on to.
 
Tubey said:
I think Mirallas, Barkley and Deulofeu will definitely perform for us - but the issue is getting the forward man to make their work up to the final third actually mean something. Lukaku's performances lately have been like playing with 10 men as everything breaks down the moment it goes near him.

If this Traore is the real deal, then perhaps that's the answer, but honestly not having a striker in on a permanent to fit the system when we have an outside chance of Europe and £15-20m in the bank (or should have) is nothing short of ridiculous.
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We've missed Deulofeu a lot, I think. I don't think Barkley being out of the side has helped Lukaku, but we've had good enough players behind him (barring Osman) recently to give him what he needs.

And no, it's far from ideal. Surely Martinez can see we need something else. His original plan may well have been just to wait until the summer but he can't afford to do that now.
 
Brennan said:
Could it perhaps be that instead of every striker we sign being rubbish, that we're just not using them correctly, or giving them the correct service ?

Crazy thought i know, but i don't think it's as crazy as assuming there's some voodoo curse that every striker we sign seems to have a good start and then go crap.

Lukaku puts in plenty of effort btw, people seem to think somebody is being lazy if they don't score goals. The lad ends up running down the wing half the time in an effort to get involved in the play and get on the ball, he's far from lazy. Whenever we get possession he asks for the ball, and always looks for a run to make.

I believe the main issue is that we still don't have an Arteta 08 type player who will thread a ball through for him to run on to.
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Personally I think the lone striker role is possibly the hardest on the pitch. You need to be of real quality to perform every week and to score over 15 goals in the league per season. Defenders grow wise to the way a striker plays and they become less effective. There really isn't too many examples of players that didn't cost silly money who have sustained high performance levels.

I think you might have a point regarding a CM, too. The thing is, if we did get an Arteta type player who would be dropped?
 
MoutsGoat said:
It doesnt really matter, hes been awful for about a month now, his 2nd touch is a throw in.

Jose got inside his head with that little arguement they had.
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I'll add a month onto that myself,from the goodison derby or the game before i feel like hes been bad-its been like he has not been on the pitch at times the last few months for me
 

Baines' left foot said:
Personally I think the lone striker role is possibly the hardest on the pitch. You need to be of real quality to perform every week and to score over 15 goals in the league per season. Defenders grow wise to the way a striker plays and they become less effective. There really isn't too many examples of players that didn't cost silly money who have sustained high performance levels.

I think you might have a point regarding a CM, too. The thing is, if we did get an Arteta type player who would be dropped?
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It would have to be McCarthy really.

Barry has been poor the last two games but his control of the midfield when he's on form is indispensable. I like McCarthy but if you want top 4 then your CMs need to score or create goals, with the exception of a defensive player like Barry who shields the CBs when we're in possession.

McCarthy does a hell of a lot of work but he doesn't produce enough for me.
 
Tubey said:
I think that would be a waste of Mirallas. He has looked dynamite lately in the role of an inside forward.

We need a striker who drops into space and offers the easy outball, who can also spin off a defender and attack the six yard box when we attack in wide areas. I don't think Mirallas is that man - Lukaku looked it for a few months, but we need another guy in. Traore could very well be it, but we need a permanent guy.
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...or in the CAM position. Personally think he's performing best in the centre of the pitch.

Gomis has popped up now by the way. 3m, worth a bid?
 
Lukaku is seeming to be a goalscorer and nothing more. Like BLF said, playing the alone up front is hard and you need to be real quality. His hold up play is lacking a lot because his second touch is a tackle, something he needs to improve. Our system now is to obviously use the striker with his back facing goal allowing the other forward players to bomb on beyond and create/score. I also agree with Brennan as well though, the lad is always making the runs, looking for the early ball but he hardly ever gets it. Hence frustrating him, dropping his head.

It's a hard one really because the lad really does have talent, also he's only young but he does need to improve his touch and link up if he's going to play the lone striker pretty much anywhere I reckon.
 
Brennan said:
It would have to be McCarthy really.

Barry has been poor the last two games but his control of the midfield when he's on form is indispensable. I like McCarthy but if you want top 4 then your CMs need to score or create goals, with the exception of a defensive player like Barry who shields the CBs when we're in possession.

McCarthy does a hell of a lot of work but he doesn't produce enough for me.
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I've seen glimpses to suggest that McCarthy has more to offer further up the pitch (not that I'm suggesting changing his position). He's been shooting a bit more recently and he showed great footwork on one occasion in the opposition box last night. I don't know if Martinez would be willing to drop McCarthy, but then he can't really drop Barry or Barkley. Maybe RM plans to use McCarthy deeper in the future, once Barry's legs have given up. You'd have to think that he sees McCarthy in our midfield long term.
 

Brennan said:
Could it perhaps be that instead of every striker we sign being rubbish, that we're just not using them correctly, or giving them the correct service ?

Crazy thought i know, but i don't think it's as crazy as assuming there's some voodoo curse that every striker we sign seems to have a good start and then go crap.

Lukaku puts in plenty of effort btw, people seem to think somebody is being lazy if they don't score goals. The lad ends up running down the wing half the time in an effort to get involved in the play and get on the ball, he's far from lazy. Whenever we get possession he asks for the ball, and always looks for a run to make.

I believe the main issue is that we still don't have an Arteta 08 type player who will thread a ball through for him to run on to.
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Nailed it
 
but how many weeks? Not sure whether to drop Lukaku for Adebayor on my Fantasy Premier League team. I've had Rom since he joined us and would be happy to keep him if he weren't injured.. just don't know how matches he will miss now.
 
problem with us has always been a lack of a creative CAM, I don't get why people don't see that, the lack of through balls and defence opening passes to the forward is what has stopped draws from becoming wins.

We bring in a quality CAM Lukaku will score goals, Barkley for me is a CM not a CAM he doesn't create/score enough goals for that position.
 

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