Lukaku V Kane and Barkley V Alli

[davek]

That is car theft in a multi storey car park, wrong on so many levels.

Lukaku is a much better player now then he ever has been. He has so much more to his game. His hold up play, his work rate, the way he beats players and his goals to game ratio have all improved. I agree we saw Barkley at his best in 13/14 and in parts the start of last season, but all in all he had a woeful 2016 and is now gradually getting back to his best, so there is no way you can say he will never reach those standards and better them again.

Ha Ha Ha.

Yeah, Koeman showed him how to score and runabout.

He's been scoring for years and his development in terms of greater mobility (although I dont see a massive improvement myself, tbh) he puts down to working with Henry at Belgium.

 

[f.t.r.s]

I agree,Alli is overrated because he plays for a better team, scores more goals, and is a better player. For these reasons the media won't stop saying he's a good player. Media darlings, tsk

But he's not a better player?
playing in a better side has an obvious effect, negredo scored 23 in 48 for city, how many has he scored at boro? Alii is asked to float around the pitch and play as a second striker, barkley has a more defined role and runs games....it's like judging gerrard and lampard again, one was a goalscoring midfielder, one was an all round midfielder who chipped in

 

[davek]

It's impossible to not have overly biased opinions on this from both sides.

I think some of the opinions in this thread on Alli have especially surprised me, nobody attacks space better than Alli in the Premier League and he has crazy good technical ability. His consistency is improving as well.

As for Kane this image speaks for itself.

They are fantastic players. Lukaku and Kane I would find hard to separate, but Barkley isn't as potent as he was even this time last season and Alli is in much better form.

 

[davek]

I don't think they have ever terrorised defences consistently, but both have had good spells when they looked very good
but they never kept them spells going, since the turn of the new year they look as though they are putting their game together, hopefully they can keep it going especially with this game versus Spurs, hope they come out on top and outshine Kane and Ali.

Not as a unit mate.

We looked most threatening in recent years when we had Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku all flying at a defence on the break with Coleman not far behind.

 

[ianefc]

Ha Ha Ha.

Yeah, Koeman showed him how to score and runabout.

He's been scoring for years and his development in terms of greater mobility (although I dont see a massive improvement myself, tbh) he puts down to working with Henry at Belgium.

His scoring rate is better now. His 'gone missing' games are more infrequent than they ever were.

These stats prove his scoring is better than ever for us.

And he's been more than complimentary about Koeman and how he's working.

Quotes like this....

I think this is a huge quote.

Prove how happy he is.

Have you a link to where he said that Henry is doing more for his game than Koeman?

 

[ianefc]

Not as a unit mate.

We looked most threatening in recent years when we had Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku all flying at a defence on the break with Coleman not far behind.

Not threatening enough to win many games.

 

[davek]

His scoring rate is better now. His 'gone missing' games are more infrequent than they ever were.

These stats prove his scoring is better than ever for us.
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And he's been more than complimentary about Koeman and how he's working.

Quotes like this....


Prove how happy he is.

Have you a link to where he said that Henry is doing more for his game than Koeman?

Lukaku NOW scores goals. You heard it here first.

God loves a trier mate. Keep it up.

 

[dannyboy]

It's impossible to not have overly biased opinions on this from both sides.

I think some of the opinions in this thread on Alli have especially surprised me, nobody attacks space better than Alli in the Premier League and he has crazy good technical ability. His consistency is improving as well.

As for Kane this image speaks for itself.

I hold my hands up with Kane, what he's done is incredible. I will always remember seeing him in the same team as Barkley for an England youth tournament and thinking how out of his depth he looked at that level. He's obviously worked hard and got the rewards.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Alli all day over Barkley, it's such a shame he is a complete beaut

 

[ianefc]

Lukaku NOW scores goals. You heard it here first.

God loves a trier mate. Keep it up.

Eh? I didn't say he is only now scoring goals. I said his scoring rate is improving. You said the only thing you think he's doing better than he was is down to Henry and the rest was as you were. I disagree.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's impossible to not have overly biased opinions on this from both sides.

I think some of the opinions in this thread on Alli have especially surprised me, nobody attacks space better than Alli in the Premier League and he has crazy good technical ability. His consistency is improving as well.

As for Kane this image speaks for itself.

I agree that both sides will tend to be biased towards their own players, so I'm not sure why you are surprised about some of the comments regarding Dele Alli. As it happens, I don't think there has been a single comment about him that you could call derogatory, or find an Everton fan who wouldn't take him in a heartbeat. All that some people are saying are that we would take an in form (and consistent) Ross Barkley over Dele Alli, and that he has more room for improvement in his game than Dele Alli has. It's our opinions which, as you say, are naturally going to be blue tinted.

Also there are a lot of posters on here who said they would actually take Kane, Alli, or both over Rom and Ross. Had this same question been asked on a Spurs forum, how many of your fans do you think would have picked Lukaku or Barkley?. I suspect not many, if any.

This is an Everton forum frequented by Everton supporters, so I'm not sure what you expected to find in here. I actually think the posters in this thread have been extremely generous towards the Spurs duo.

How do you think the game will go tomorrow? We've been on a good run of results which has led to a degree of optimism from some of our fans. Personally, I'd be happy if we came away with a hard earned draw. We're both very strong in midfield but you have the better defence and home advantage where you have a fantastic record. To me it's the toughest game of our run in. If Rom and Ross turn up we'll have an outside chance of pulling off a win. If not, I can see it being a back to the walls job similar to the City away game.

Do you expect both of your Belgian lads to be fit?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I don't think they have ever terrorised defences consistently, but both have had good spells when they looked very good
but they never kept them spells going, since the turn of the new year they look as though they are putting their game together, hopefully they can keep it going especially with this game versus Spurs, hope they come out on top and outshine Kane and Ali.

I think that's where the Spurs duo have the edge. Consistency. But both Lukaku and Barkley bring something unique that Kane and Alli are not capable of. They just don't do it often enough, but it's why they have the most potential and I wouldn't swap them if it came down to a straight choice.

In Kane's case, I actually believe he is already the finished article in that he is as good as he is going to get. That's not a criticism. He's probably the best all round and consistent striker in the league and he would be worth his place in any Premier team, and will be England's main striker for years to come. Rom needs to find that consistency, especially in games where he has his back to goal a lot.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Lukaku and Alli for me, I think Lukaku's physicality and pace are a lot better than Kane's and as a result he fits our playstyle better, but I think Alli is just pure class and would get into the vast majority of top teams and wouldn't look out of place!

 

[Carlito]

I think Kane is better than Lukaku. They're comparable goalscorers, but you can rely on Kane to kill the ball when it's played into him, and that makes life a lot easier for those playing off him.

Alli and Barkley is too close for me. Alli goes out and gets it done week in, week out, but a confident Barkley looks sublime in possession.

I suppose we'll get to see firsthand tomorrow.

 

[Simon baker]

It's impossible to not have overly biased opinions on this from both sides.

I think some of the opinions in this thread on Alli have especially surprised me, nobody attacks space better than Alli in the Premier League and he has crazy good technical ability. His consistency is improving as well.

As for Kane this image speaks for itself.

Crazy good technique it's not bad however how do you account for him losing the ball in the euros every third touch. Please don't say Everyone was bad.

Alli is a cracking player but his technique is not natural he isn't Particualuy good on the ball yes he can control a ball but technique is so much more than this.

Your spot on about attacking space he is very similar to Tim Cahill