Current Affairs London Protests

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Zezti said:
Violence begets violence, indeed.
As tempting as it would be to punch a gammon, it only justifies their actions in their mind.
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Nah, they were gonna do what they wanted anyway. Not saying it should have happened but I am going to heartily laugh that it did
 
zzr45 said:
Yes it’s pretty funny that self appointed hard men are getting cut down left, right and centre. The unwarranted self importance of these muppets is an absolute joke. I have no qualms with these gobshites that have gone out today looking for a scrap getting their arse felt. Sad old bastards.
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It's worth pointing out, those in Trafalgar square have gone explicitly looking for trouble. There were a couple of hundred local protestors there. Their intent would have been to go and smash the protest knowing they have bigger numbers and theyve come unstuck. As you say hard to have much sympathy.
 
Shevin Keedy said:
The twitter narrative (take it as you wish) seems to be that the "footy lads" were easily broken up into smaller groups gradually by the bobbies. By about 5pm (the curfew for these protests) some tube stations had been cordoned off (the live feed seems to confirm this to an extent, with footage of middle aged males shouting at police "where were you last week" and "we just want to go home"). At which point apparently roaming gangs managed to pick one or two of the footy geezers off.

This is a very general approximation of what I have seen from the various available sources. The tube station stuff seems to be correct though and would be logical as those locations can tend to be a flashpoint for pitched battles.
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My take, having been on said demos, is it's a bit like football. The police liaise with you, and tell you when to leave and how to leave. If you dont follow that advice, you're pretty much on your own. Dont expect much support if you dont follow those arrangements.

There are different categories but essentially it looks like most of the DFLA ilk have left in accordance with the plan. A handful have stayed behind looking for trouble. I suspect that was what they wanted all along.

Trafalgar square is especially the case. That was a space for a small counter protest. Theyve probably seen a couple of hundred protestors and their spotters will have said it's an easy rout given the numbers. It looks like theyve really come unstuck.

Probably a bit messier at places like Waterloo tube. Could have been a sort of informally agreed meet spot (yes it happens). I doubt it's any sort of BLM group, probably a handful of locals from Lambeth have had a little gander. In all honesty the videos of "pour petrol on a black bloke" that were doing the rounds have probably done them no favours.

I'm almost certain, the fellas in question will have gone looking for it, and really come unstuck.

I think for a lot of them, they probably got complacent. May have felt BLM calling off the march was a big win for them and got a little cocky. The BLM in some ways was a big win for them, but the flip is, it would have just meant prolonged shouting too and fro heavily guarded by police. Thats not what's happened here when they ventured off the "straight and narrow".

I'd also add, a bit like in Liverpool when they mouthed off, they are out of their depth. They are programmed to fighting a few hippies and teenagers in masks (antifa). You can take certain liberties doing that. However some of the gangs in London are another kettle of fish. I'd say theyve become quite disrespectful and upset people theyd have been advised not too. These people they are engaging, are not really your standard lefties.

I thought Tommy Robinsons video was fascinating. Not even him not going, but he directly quoted certain rappers whod called him out (so its obviously on the brain) but also back tracked on all sorts of statements he made against black people. Hes an astute man when it comes to danger and I think he saw the writing on the wall and gave it a massive dodge.

Anyway they would be well advised not to stoke these fires any further.

That would be my take. Essentially some rogue elements fancied a bit of combat and got found out.
 
davek said:
Fighting nazism was a by-product of the fight to retain an Empire for Churchill. Many others in the elite at the time took the view the Empire could be maintained by accomodating Germany. His most valuable input was recognising that you cant do deals with an industrial scale killing machine.

Churchill was an imperialist and he openly used notions of "Aryan supremacy" to justify it.
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The Tory establishment wanted to negotiate the 'excellent' peace they had supposedly agreed with Hitler in order that they may retain the far east part of the empire - Clark being a famous voice in this. Churchill was against this and wanted to fight the Fascists.

Critically in war cabinet meetings were these same Tory's were voting against Churchill's wishes to fight against Nazi tyranny Atlee and Labour supported him. Without Churchill and Atlees unified stance we would be living in a different world.

So quite the opposite of wanting to retain empire, he saw the future and that we needed fight alongside the new world for the good of all.
 
catcherintherye said:
My take, having been on said demos, is it's a bit like football. The police liaise with you, and tell you when to leave and how to leave. If you dont follow that advice, you're pretty much on your own. Dont expect much support if you dont follow those arrangements.

There are different categories but essentially it looks like most of the DFLA ilk have left in accordance with the plan. A handful have stayed behind looking for trouble. I suspect that was what they wanted all along.

Trafalgar square is especially the case. That was a space for a small counter protest. Theyve probably seen a couple of hundred protestors and their spotters will have said it's an easy rout given the numbers. It looks like theyve really come unstuck.

Probably a bit messier at places like Waterloo tube. Could have been a sort of informally agreed meet spot (yes it happens). I doubt it's any sort of BLM group, probably a handful of locals from Lambeth have had a little gander. In all honesty the videos of "pour petrol on a black bloke" that were doing the rounds have probably done them no favours.

I'm almost certain, the fellas in question will have gone looking for it, and really come unstuck.

I think for a lot of them, they probably got complacent. May have felt BLM calling off the march was a big win for them and got a little cocky. The BLM in some ways was a big win for them, but the flip is, it would have just meant prolonged shouting too and fro heavily guarded by police. Thats not what's happened here when they ventured off the "straight and narrow".

I'd also add, a bit like in Liverpool when they mouthed off, they are out of their depth. They are programmed to fighting a few hippies and teenagers in masks (antifa). You can take certain liberties doing that. However some of the gangs in London are another kettle of fish. I'd say theyve become quite disrespectful and upset people theyd have been advised not too. These people they are engaging, are not really your standard lefties.

I thought Tommy Robinsons video was fascinating. Not even him not going, but he directly quoted certain rappers whod called him out (so its obviously on the brain) but also back tracked on all sorts of statements he made against black people. Hes an astute man when it comes to danger and I think he saw the writing on the wall and gave it a massive dodge.

Anyway they would be well advised not to stoke these fires any further.

That would be my take. Essentially some rogue elements fancied a bit of combat and got found out.
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Wasnt there mate obviously, but the vids we are seeing are the same three or so lone fellas getting mobbed , havnt seen anything of big fights,
Seen one of the two sides lashing stuff at each other in the square but no actual mobs fighting.
Just wondering if this is getting used by some to pour petrol on the fire .
Hope not because as it will get really dangerous from this point onwards.
I know what your saying about some of those areas in london being scary,
Once got arrested up there and let out after my transport had gone, I was walking around for nearly an hour , I honestly didn't see another white face accepted a road cleaner and a fella in a takeaway, at one point a couple cars were following me shouting stuff, didn't have a clue what they were saying but it didn't sound very friendly, I wasnt about to leave the main road so just had to front it, waved at them and started laughing, got my head down and walked on.
I wasnt going to run down any side street not for a million pounds, a taxi driver pulled over and gave me a free lift to the tube, wouldn't take a penny off me, old Jewish guy said are you trying to get killed , Everton t shirt walking around here , he had gone passed me twice and had noticed the cars doing a u turn behind me and came back just in the nick of time, thank god he did , scary place that, couldn't wait to get out of there.
 
blulouie said:
All lives matter muppet ideology?

So you reckon only certain lives matter ?

I'd be interested to hear your views .
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"All lives matter" sounds great because of course the lives of everybody should matter, but in reality, All Lives Matter is a tagline and does not mean what it says. It is used by closet racists/ignorant people as a criticism of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Here are some examples why saying All Lives Matter in the face of the Black Lives Matter movement makes you a muppet:
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