Current Affairs London Protests

[Spadge Vernacular]

I don't really get this mate, as it seems to apply to any change in social order, including those supporting Brexit, and I haven't seen them described as anarchists. An u missing something?

Just the way it is mate. I'm going to go and do some gardening now and keep thoughts of mayhem out of my head for a few hours

 

[mill]

I bet you they start turning on each other.

 

[tsubaki]

The whole thing is bats**t mental.

I still don’t know where I stand on the violence protest/riot thing.

but all of this rubbish is now missing the broader point.

which is to eradicate institutional racism. And classism. And sexism. Et al.

I wish people would just stop. Remember the point and then focus on that.

let’s just all agree that society is unbalanced. There are structural biases that favour some groups over other. We need to work at addressing those things. Some people might feel like they are losing out but it’s going to be better for everyone if we start recognising these flaws in the system and doing something about it.

it feels like that idea is completely lost now.

TBF this demo at least makes sense in that regard; they are racist and want to march to defend a racist system. They do not want to change it.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The whole thing is bats**t mental.

I still don’t know where I stand on the violence protest/riot thing.

but all of this rubbish is now missing the broader point.

which is to eradicate institutional racism. And classism. And sexism. Et al.

I wish people would just stop. Remember the point and then focus on that.

let’s just all agree that society is unbalanced. There are structural biases that favour some groups over other. We need to work at addressing those things. Some people might feel like they are losing out but it’s going to be better for everyone if we start recognising these flaws in the system and doing something about it.

it feels like that idea is completely lost now.

Amen

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I'm going to go and do some gardening now and keep thoughts of mayhem out of my head for a few hours

Always a good idea when handling pruning shears.

 

[Lelouch]

 

[davek]

But it's a very odd thing to do, to gather at the memorials of WW2 and the PM who fought Nazism, and make the salute of the enemy he fought. Like don't sit there and make out your defending British values and history, and the memory of Churchill if thats how you behave. It's actually more insulting to those who died in WW2 than some graffiti (which is also stupid). You're literally making the political salute of the people who slaughtered our soldiers. Urinating on their memory. If you do that, you deserve everything you get.

Fighting nazism was a by-product of the fight to retain an Empire for Churchill. Many others in the elite at the time took the view the Empire could be maintained by accomodating Germany. His most valuable input was recognising that you cant do deals with an industrial scale killing machine.

Churchill was an imperialist and he openly used notions of "Aryan supremacy" to justify it.

 

[tsubaki]

there are few certainties in the world nowadays, but I feel like something everyone can believe is that Mason isn't actually there and is watching the stream of it like everyone else

 

[Connor]

Send in the army for the braindead far right thugs

 

[GwladysBlue]

It honestly feels like the world is going through some sort of social experiment right now.

 

[PhilM]

I bet you they start turning on each other.

It’ll be interesting to see how long their loose alliance lasts because while they hate a certain other group they had a dislike for each other too.

 

[Moomin]

some nazi salutes earlier as well

Wow, way to defend the monument by doing the nazi salute

 

[catcherintherye]

Fighting nazism was a by-product of the fight to retain an Empire for Churchill. Many others in the elite at the time took the view the Empire could be maintained by accomodating Germany. His most valuable input was recognising that you cant do deals with an industrial scale killing machine.

Churchill was an imperialist and he openly used notions of "Aryan supremacy" to justify it.

I don't disagree with you Dave. There's little doubt that empire was a key point to Churchill. I would add two cavaets though;

1) A lot of ordinary working class people supported the war, for broadly anti-fascist reasons. To a degree Churchill understood that.His reasoning was not the same as ordinary people's reasoning.

2) While Churchill showed racist views, and did some reprehensible things, he was not a fascist. It is important to distinguish between the two. Fascism is not extreme racism. It is has a fundamentally different operation and is really about smashing progressive people. There are certainly overlaps, but they are still distinctive categories.

In this instance though, I won't betaking lectures on British history and respecting those who died in wars by listening to a group of people who make Nazi salutes.

 

[PhilM]

Should just throw the whole lot of them in a locked yard somewhere, far right and far right. Last man standing, Gladiator stylee.

Do you mean organise a Millwall versus Chelsea friendly?

 

[tsubaki]

dunno if anyone is still watching the live stream but the cops radios are reporting an injured officer already