Current Affairs London Bridge "Incident"

[SteveSC]

Who is talking about the police or anti terror organisations? I'm talking about the general public who refuse to wake up to the fact that we are beginning to 'normalise' terror attacks .

People would rather kiss arse on the Internet and sing 'don't look back in anger' in large gatherings than admit we have a major problem.

The day a concert aimed for teens and kids was attacked was the day everyone should of woken up.
But nope Manchester bumble bee's all round and snide poems . But don't dare upset the sick loons who hide behind a certain ideology and religion to bring hate against the country they live in .

Europe has become a laughing stock and a very easy target for some very evil sub humans .

What are you on about? Who's forgetting about it in the general public. I am pretty sure people are well aware of the modern dangers. Tell us though how exactly do you want people to react? You keep throwing back at us and making generalizations but without examples or substance

So we cant carry on then? We have to stay paranoid and at a very heightened alert at all times?

That's the whole point of being vigilant. Its why its said a lot and its true. We take it in contemplate what happened possibly grieve and learn from it and then show strength and resolve.

Do you want people in huddled masses with pitchforks and clubs on a witch hunt vigilante style?

 

[verreauxi]

Aye aye here's Tommy Robinson with his perfectly reasonable views.

I bet you've distributed one of these to immigration and told them to refuse entry to anyone from Almond Beige up haven't you?

I like my women to be Mocha Madness, yes please.

 

[Harryflashman]

I think it might even be to the credit of our security services that the majority of attackers are on the radar . What is the plan , that we arrest everybody who has a radical ideology or might have , or read a book or two or that someone reports has ? It's a slippery and incredibly dangerous slope , one that if you think doesn't involve you doesn't matter but who knows where it ends or whether you end up on a list . I simply don't understand how suspension of the rule of law helps us as a nation . It didn't work in the north of Ireland if anything it exacerbated the situation .

I think as well that law enforcement almost certainly know the identity of the bulk of offenders who commit the majority of our property crime and probably much of our violent crime but you don't often see interment without trial suggested as an option to combat this .

 

[roydo]

I think it might even be to the credit of our security services that the majority of attackers are on the radar . What is the plan , that we arrest everybody who has a radical ideology or might have , or read a book or two or that someone reports has ? It's a slippery and incredibly dangerous slope , one that if you think doesn't involve you doesn't matter but who knows where it ends or whether you end up on a list . I simply don't understand how suspension of the rule of law helps us as a nation . It didn't work in the north of Ireland if anything it exacerbated the situation .

I think as well that law enforcement almost certainly know the identity of the bulk of offenders who commit the majority of our property crime and probably much of our violent crime but you don't often see interment without trial suggested as an option to combat this .

Quite.

The foot soldiers on the radar. whilst dangerous, obvs, in the wider picture, they are the cannon fodder for the puppeteers pulling their strings. In the modern tech age, they aint likely to meet in person with those maybe assisting them, even if anyone actually is. (They maybe home grown, home "educated/radicalised" with no outside help).

But counter ops will be hoping that having them on the radar will perhaps lead them to bigger fish.

Unfortunately, that hope comes at the risk of them going rogue/solo.

 

[Harryflashman]

Quite.

The foot soldiers on the radar. whilst dangerous, obvs, in the wider picture, they are the cannon fodder for the puppeteers pulling their strings. In the modern tech age, they aint likely to meet in person with those maybe assisting them, even if anyone actually is. (They maybe home grown, home "educated/radicalised" with no outside help).

But counter ops will be hoping that having them on the radar will perhaps lead them to bigger fish.

Unfortunately, that hope comes at the risk of them going rogue/solo.

Also how many people on the radar become an active threat ? logisically it's a nightmare and a so easy to spin as a negative .

we either maintain the rule of law or we do what dictatorships do & shoot every suspected terrorist and almost certainly their families as well , Otherwise we're playing at it . For me that isn't a choice so the rule of law has to be maintained .

 

[roydo]

Also how many people on the radar become an active threat ? logisically it's a nightmare and a so easy to spin as a negative .

we either maintain the rule of law or we do what dictatorships do & shoot every suspected terrorist and almost certainly their families as well , Otherwise we're playing at it . For me that isn't a choice so the rule of law has to be maintained .

Yep.

When the reason that folk turn to terrorism isnt clear, or defined, you simply cannot negotiate, a'la the IRA. They had an aim, and a grievance, but in the end, it was talks that got the situation improved. (Not naive enough to say its all gone away).

But, if this latest, lets face it, pretty low level attack, is what we assume, then what can you actually do to appease/stop it? Nowt.

You defeat it by not cowing to it.

Carry on regardless.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

What are you on about? Who's forgetting about it in the general public. I am pretty sure people are well aware of the modern dangers. Tell us though how exactly do you want people to react? You keep throwing back at us and making generalizations but without examples or substance

So we cant carry on then? We have to stay paranoid and at a very heightened alert at all times?

That's the whole point of being vigilant. Its why its said a lot and its true. We take it in contemplate what happened possibly grieve and learn from it and then show strength and resolve.

Do you want people in huddled masses with pitchforks and clubs on a witch hunt vigilante style?

We pretty much do have to stay paranoid because the next attack is never far away. Whether it be a bomb or a grooming gang targeting vulnerable children . Of course we have to go about our business and live 'normally' but the thought of a terror attack is never far away.

What do we learn from it ??? I'm sure showing strength is a big comfort to the families of dead terrorist victims all over Europe . Little girls going to a concert and not coming home . Even getting a tube or a late night stroll round London Bridge doesn't come without worry.

Do I want pitchforks , and vigilante style witch hunts ???? No not at all . And I certainly do not want groups off blag nazis swigging warm strong bow embarrassing themselves at some March .

I would though like the government and police to have the balls and target known radical mosques and try and nip in the bud the grooming of these clowns who are willing to die for some weird ideology.

If we went to Muslim countries we would have to abide by there way if living and rightly so . Over here that's not the case .
You dare say anything (even on here) and you have people who get more offended by a post slating terrorism than they ever do about a terrorist ATTACK . Bizarre .

 

[FC sexy xxx]

What exactly is the alternative you would like to see enacted

You know what . I'm not sure . But anything is better than ignoring the growing threat we face . I'm not claiming to be full of ideas but it hurts to see innocent people being victims to hate crimes like this on such a regular occurrence.

 

[Walken]

You know what . I'm not sure . But anything is better than ignoring the growing threat we face . I'm not claiming to be full of ideas but it hurts to see innocent people being victims to hate crimes like this on such a regular occurrence.

I'm not completely convinced it's being ignored, would prefer a constant state of fear in the population? And don't give me any more of your 'I don't know, but they need to sort it' nonsense, I want answers here

 

[FC sexy xxx]

I'm not completely convinced it's being ignored, would prefer a constant state of fear in the population? And don't give me any more of your 'I don't know, but they need to sort it' nonsense, I want answers here

State of fear nonsense? No. But I'm all for our forces to give any suspected terrorist a hard time . I much prefer that to dead children.

Don't worry to much about my 'answers mate ' I'm just another knob with an opinion. It's no big deal .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What do we learn from it ??? I'm sure showing strength is a big comfort to the families of dead terrorist victims all over Europe . Little girls going to a concert and not coming home . Even getting a tube or a late night stroll round London Bridge doesn't come without worry.

No way to live your life that mate. I was on the tube last night and wasn't worried at all. Think about it. There's an estimated 5 million journeys done on the tube each day, or nearly 2 billion a year if you prefer. The chances are much less of anything happening there than me being knocked off my bike above ground. Likewise with London Bridge. I make a point of having any business meetings I've got to have in that area. It's perfectly safe, and the vast majority of people are perfectly friendly. You can't let a minuscule minority spoil your life.

 

[Tubey]

POTUS tweet seems to suggest that today's attackers were already known to the authorities.

This means the Police already know who is responsible and seemingly allowed them to go about their terrorist business.

Get them all off our streets today.
It's not rocket science.

It's not that simple. You're advocating locking people up on very little evidence beyond general suspicion. That's basically a police state you're advocating.

"Known" is a variable term. It's not like they go around with a sign over there heads saying "I've got the materials for a bomb in my flat."

 

[bullybeef]

It's not that simple. You're advocating locking people up on very little evidence beyond general suspicion. That's basically a police state you're advocating.

"Known" is a variable term. It's not like they go around with a sign over there heads saying "I've got the materials for a bomb in my flat."

It is obvious that this individual was already known to the authorities. How else do you explain his capture without the help of the public?

You are really dumbing down the anti terror agencies if you think that they don't know those who are plotting and chatting to ISIS.

The government need to give the relevant authorities the power to remove these people off our streets before they get the opportunity to carry out their plans.

The people who disagree may as well support terrorism and those that carry it out.

 

[degsy]

Who is talking about the police or anti terror organisations? I'm talking about the general public who refuse to wake up to the fact that we are beginning to 'normalise' terror attacks .

People would rather kiss arse on the Internet and sing 'don't look back in anger' in large gatherings than admit we have a major problem.

The day a concert aimed for teens and kids was attacked was the day everyone should of woken up.
But nope Manchester bumble bee's all round and snide poems . But don't dare upset the sick loons who hide behind a certain ideology and religion to bring hate against the country they live in .

Europe has become a laughing stock and a very easy target for some very evil sub humans .

I agree somewhat, but what would you rather the powers that be do? slaughter them all (whoever all are) down to the last dog and cat?
What's your solution

 

[FC sexy xxx]

I agree somewhat, but what would you rather the powers that be do? slaughter them all (whoever all are) down to the last dog and cat?
What's your solution

I'm not really qualified to think of solutions. But the way things stand . It's not good is it ?

That's my last post on this thread, cheers.