Liam Walsh

Nymzee · December 19, 2017

jceverton said:
Only if they are better players and I don’t think they are.

Did you know Davies and Walsh were better than Ledson at the time he was sold?

jceverton · December 19, 2017

blueblue said:
We simply can't keep every young player at the club, when they get to a certain age and there is no obvious path for them to get into the first team then it is best for all that they go somewhere and get first team football. We will probably have a % on any future sale of the player and I think all we can do is wish him well.

No we can’t but we can clear their path by getting rid of the deadwood i.e. bang average midfield players like Schneiderlin, McCarthy and Besic.

jceverton · December 19, 2017

Nymzee said:
Did you know Davies and Walsh were better than Ledson at the time he was sold?

I didn’t mate because I hadn’t seen enough of them to form a judgement. That was clearly the club’s opinion though.

Nymzee · December 19, 2017

jceverton said:
I didn’t mate because I hadn’t seen enough of them to form a judgement. That was clearly the club’s opinion though.

But they turned out to be so why couldn't Beni or Adeniran?

jceverton · December 20, 2017

Nymzee said:
But they turned out to be so why couldn't Beni or Adeniran?

Haven’t seen that so far. A lot of this comes down to playing opportunities. Young players will improve dramatically if they are given game time. If Walsh doesn’t get game time at top level he won’t improve. The seasons a write off in the league let’s use it to full advantage and develop the younger players like Walsh. We’ll be better for it in the long run.

Tel001 · December 20, 2017

blueblue said:
I am not sure I remember any player that has left us at about 20 years of age that has really come back o haunt us. A few have gone on to play in the Premiership but not so well that we want to bring them back to Everton.
Some of these lads need to move on for the sake of their careers as they might never have been given the chance at Goodison.
I wonder how things would have turned out for Jon Joe Kenny if Seamus had not broken his leg ?

Rooney?

Nymzee · December 20, 2017

jceverton said:
Haven’t seen that so far. A lot of this comes down to playing opportunities. Young players will improve dramatically if they are given game time. If Walsh doesn’t get game time at top level he won’t improve. The seasons a write off in the league let’s use it to full advantage and develop the younger players like Walsh. We’ll be better for it in the long run.

Yeh league is a write off in December...

Dave Higgs · December 20, 2017

Season is far from a write off. Still all to play for

tadpole · December 20, 2017

blueblue said:
I am not sure I remember any player that has left us at about 20 years of age that has really come back o haunt us. A few have gone on to play in the Premiership but not so well that we want to bring them back to Everton.
Some of these lads need to move on for the sake of their careers as they might never have been given the chance at Goodison.
I wonder how things would have turned out for Jon Joe Kenny if Seamus had not broken his leg ?

Shkodran Mustafi

blueblue · December 20, 2017

tadpole said:
Shkodran Mustafi

Probably. Certainly in terms of a fee.

I maybe unfair to him but I have never been hugely impressed by him.

johnnydawg68 · December 20, 2017

Nymzee said:
But they turned out to be so why couldn't Beni or Adeniran?

Walsh has a different skillset to both of them. His range of passing far exceeds those two. Beni is more like for like with Gana, and Adeniran is more of an attacking, pacy midfielder. Not exactly like Davies, but similar. Walsh could have fulfilled the role we were hoping Schneiderlin could in my opinion. A ball playing, deep midfielder. Not a defensive mid mind, but a deep lying playmaker. Having said that Walsh is a very good tackler despite his size, and is fearless. He's not as tall as MS but in my opinion (at least at U23 level and on loan) a much more effective tackler.

Others have seen him more than me. I go off what I've been able to observe when the U23 games have been televised and loan reports and reports from those on here who regularly go watch the youth teams. So I might be totally off.

But in other words, I don't think it's always a matter of "better/worse", but more what they offer individually. Walshie is a different kettle of fish, and to me that makes him very valuable, but as I've said if he's not going to play, it's better for him to move on. I'd prefer a loan, but it's possible (probable) he just wants to get on with it, which is totally understandable. A guy like Connolly seems to be happy to go on loan multiple times to prove himself (which I think will pay off for him as I definitely see a place for him at Everton next season).

Nymzee · December 20, 2017

johnnydawg68 said:
Walsh has a different skillset to both of them. His range of passing far exceeds those two. Beni is more like for like with Gana, and Adeniran is more of an attacking, pacy midfielder. Not exactly like Davies, but similar. Walsh could have fulfilled the role we were hoping Schneiderlin could in my opinion. A ball playing, deep midfielder. Not a defensive mid mind, but a deep lying playmaker. Having said that Walsh is a very good tackler despite his size, and is fearless. He's not as tall as MS but in my opinion (at least at U23 level and on loan) a much more effective tackler.

Others have seen him more than me. I go off what I've been able to observe when the U23 games have been televised and loan reports and reports from those on here who regularly go watch the youth teams. So I might be totally off.

Bold points aren't correct IMO but each to their own.

johnnydawg68 · December 20, 2017

Nymzee said:
Bold points aren't correct IMO but each to their own.

Again, I've seen him the least, so asterisk included. Schneiderlin has been a horrible tackler this season. I'll argue that point all day.

Nymzee · December 20, 2017

johnnydawg68 said:
Again, I've seen him the least, so asterisk included. Scheiderlin has been a horrible tackler this season. I'll argue that point all day.

Yeh, I mean I shouldn't have to say it but lots in this thread think I have an agenda against Liam Walsh:

I like Walsh, I hope he stays, I can't see him playing, I see him being sold, I see no one caring in 6 months time.

johnnydawg68 · December 20, 2017

Nymzee said:
Yeh, I mean I shouldn't have to say it but lots in this thread think I have an agenda against Liam Walsh:

I like Walsh, I hope he stays, I can't see him playing, I see him being sold, I see no one caring in 6 months time.

I make no judgements on that mate, I'm not trying to start a fight just offering my opinion right or wrong.