Leeds United Vs. Everton - Capital One Cup 3rd Round - Tue 25th September @ 7:45PM

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Gonna have to disagree with you there bud. When you're 2 - 1 down against a team from the division below you, with three minutes left to play, you've played badly. Very badly in fact.

The first incident (felli's shot striking the defender's shoulder/upper arm) I'm not convinced was a penalty; had the situation been reversed and a penalty given against us in identical circumstances, I would be fuming - so I can accept the ref's call in that instance.

The second one however (Cheebs being grabbed in a bear-hug to stop him moving to the ball) was as clear a penalty as you will see this year and yes, the ref's failure to award it was a HUGE balls-up. HOWEVER, even if he had given the pen and Jelavic had slotted it home, it would not have magically made our performance in the previous 85 minutes any less garbage.

When you find yourself relying on penalties being awarded in the last five minutes in the hope of drawing level with lower-tier opposition, you haven't played well enough to deserve to win. At least no-one got injured.

the lad virtually dived like a goalie so whats with the " fellanis shot struck him" twaddle and when has "deserved to win" meant anything- whats wrong with a bit of luck or good fortune for EFC? lets not re-write history by pretending mason was anything but awful last night
 
the lad virtually dived like a goalie so whats with the " fellanis shot struck him" twaddle and when has "deserved to win" meant anything- whats wrong with a bit of luck or good fortune for EFC? lets not re-write history by pretending mason was anything but awful last night

He didn't dive like a goalie, he was on his feet. I'm not sold either way on whether it was a handball or not. Certainly not as clear-cut as Felli's handball against Swansea.

"Deserved to win" means a lot. It's a reflection of hard work, physical effort and application of technical skill, three aspects of play that we conspicuously lacked against Leeds. I would love a bit more luck or good fortune, but not at the expense of anything resembling effort by the players on the field.

And at no point did I say Mason was anything other than awful. I simply observed that as a team we were pretty woeful for well over an hour, which is why we were 2 - 1 down. Mason didn't make Naismith miss the target with his free header at the back post, nor did Mason make us give the ball away to concede the first goal, or compel Mirallas to take possibly the worst corner I have ever seen. Yes he failed to give a clear penalty, possibly two, but don't you have higher aspirations for this team than playing like cr@p for 80 minutes and hoping that the ref gives you a couple of penalties towards the end? I know I do.
 
He didn't dive like a goalie, he was on his feet. I'm not sold either way on whether it was a handball or not. Certainly not as clear-cut as Felli's handball against Swansea.

The law states deliberate hand ball. Did he deliberatly strike the ball with his hand/arm? No.

Did he go to play it with his shoulder/chest and misjudge it so it may have caught the top of his arm? Yes.

For me its never clear cut enough to be given as deliberate handball.
 
but what really struck me was Fellaini, he was bad in the 1st half, but once he was moved forward and Pienaar came on he really improved. I wonder if Pienaar is the key to Fellaini's play.
Pienaar?!?!? Pienaar has nothing to do with it (aside from the degree to which he makes everyone better by being good at football). People have been saying for almost a year now Fellaini is better in an advanced position. There have been reports that our goals per game goes up by .2 or .4 or something when he is further forward. We are better. He is better. People just don't want to believe it for some reason. Gibson back and Fellaini forward ... it's gold. GOLD JERRY!

Also this game was eye poison and let's never speak of it again.
 
He didn't dive like a goalie, he was on his feet. I'm not sold either way on whether it was a handball or not. Certainly not as clear-cut as Felli's handball against Swansea.

"Deserved to win" means a lot. It's a reflection of hard work, physical effort and application of technical skill, three aspects of play that we conspicuously lacked against Leeds. I would love a bit more luck or good fortune, but not at the expense of anything resembling effort by the players on the field.

And at no point did I say Mason was anything other than awful. I simply observed that as a team we were pretty woeful for well over an hour, which is why we were 2 - 1 down. Mason didn't make Naismith miss the target with his free header at the back post, nor did Mason make us give the ball away to concede the first goal, or compel Mirallas to take possibly the worst corner I have ever seen. Yes he failed to give a clear penalty, possibly two, but don't you have higher aspirations for this team than playing like cr@p for 80 minutes and hoping that the ref gives you a couple of penalties towards the end? I know I do.
cant fault what you say too much coz we stunk the place out. i cant remember getting the rub of the green much off refs is my gist really. its a funny old game and you need luck in all its forms to win and i do have higher aspirations than porking a few wins. and i said `almost like a goalie`. watching the game it was nailed on we would get nothing from start to finish, you could say we didnt deserve anything but things arent that black and white.
 
When you find yourself relying on penalties being awarded in the last five minutes in the hope of drawing level with lower-tier opposition, you haven't played well enough to deserve to win. At least no-one got injured.
did leeds deserve to win? they scraped a result against the worst everton performance for weeks and were given everything by the ref including 2 shouts for a penalty (one of them a stonewallerer) the best you could say about leeds is they ran all night. theyre a very poor side - us and mason handed it to them and imo leeds deserved nothing. we were terrible but so what if we had gotten a fair crack of the decisions leeds wouldve been shown up for the 2nd rate ale-house team they are.
 
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