Leeds, Leicester and the other small clubs.

[Mikey O]

This is a really good thread on the compensation thing. Any team wishing to get compensation has to show causation ie without our overspend we’d have had fewer points and finished below them in the table, or even that individual matches would be different.

That’s almost impossible because there’s no conversion rate between spend and points, our own performance shows that but there are plenty of examples (Chelsea recently) with massive spends but declining points totals. Football is a game and you can’t invent alternative outcomes in a court or tribunal.

As this thread points out the justification for the severity of the punishment is that the specific advantage or harm “cannot be quantified”. In other words they cannot make a more specific or targeted punishment because they cannot say what would’ve happened but for our overspend.

So the punishment is severe BECAUSE they cannot specifically compensate others without knowing what would have happened so it has to be a more general punishment in the form of points. If that is the reason for the sanction it follows that they couldn’t follow that by awarding compensation they themselves say can’t be quantified.

Beat me to it.

I can't now see how a claim for compensation can now be upheld.

 

[the golden visionary]

Leicester should sue the Post at St James Park, if they didn't hit it they would have stayed up.







The others need to sue Ederson and Alison. 6 points lost because they couldn't beat them

 

[Dahnsouff]

If that was the case, they would have docked enough to guarantee you went down, they didn’t, it was not much really, and imposed at the gentlest time possible, meaning you can escape the relegation zone imminently. My understanding that as this is a civil case, the burden is on probability and not proof?
You can be as outraged as you like, but you were repeatedly warned and ignored the warnings.
The situation with Man City and Chelsea is on going and bears no relevance to your sins, to suggest otherwise is just wrong as they are separate cases whose outcome is as yet unknown.
Still think nowt will happen, this just sets the stage to dock Man City and Chelsea 12 pts (Spread over elapsed seasons) lol

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[RD2910]

If that was the case, they would have docked enough to guarantee you went down, they didn’t, it was not much really, and imposed at the gentlest time possible, meaning you can escape the relegation zone imminently. My understanding that as this is a civil case, the burden is on probability and not proof?
You can be as outraged as you like, but you were repeatedly warned and ignored the warnings.
The situation with Man City and Chelsea is on going and bears no relevance to your sins, to suggest otherwise is just wrong as they are separate cases whose outcome is as yet unknown.
Still think nowt will happen, this just sets the stage to dock Man City and Chelsea 12 pts (Spread over elapsed seasons) lol

Why would they be looking to guarantee Everton go down?

 

[Dixie1sixty]

If that was the case, they would have docked enough to guarantee you went down, they didn’t, it was not much really, and imposed at the gentlest time possible, meaning you can escape the relegation zone imminently. My understanding that as this is a civil case, the burden is on probability and not proof?
You can be as outraged as you like, but you were repeatedly warned and ignored the warnings.
The situation with Man City and Chelsea is on going and bears no relevance to your sins, to suggest otherwise is just wrong as they are separate cases whose outcome is as yet unknown.
Still think nowt will happen, this just sets the stage to dock Man City and Chelsea 12 pts (Spread over elapsed seasons) lol

Looks like you don't have any understanding of anything.

Go and have a good read and then come back when you can finish a sentence.

 

[Marius57]

The EPL have likely done a runner from this compensation issue and told the aggrieved 3 they’d be happy to let the courts deal with it.

In actual fact we’d likely get a fairer hearing in the law courts than the EPLs own panel, for reasons that aren’t hard to fathom.

The EPL haven’t done a runner at all and you have zero evidence to back that up. The clubs have been told they have a set amount of time to put their claims in. They will be doing so.

The PL rules have an arbitration section which says they cannot take it to other methods such as law courts etc. it has to be settled through the PL. The clubs signed up to that.

 

[mahermi1]

Leicester should sue the Post at St James Park, if they didn't hit it they would have stayed up.







The others need to sue Ederson and Alison. 6 points lost because they couldn't beat them

Haha or maybe their players could have tried a little harder.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The EPL haven’t done a runner at all and you have zero evidence to back that up. The clubs have been told they have a set amount of time to put their claims in. They will be doing so.

The PL rules have an arbitration section which says they cannot take it to other methods such as law courts etc. it has to be settled through the PL. The clubs signed up to that.

Regardless, we’d actually be better off in the courts - assuming the clubs do go the EPL route which they no doubt will if they don’t go to the law courts

 

[overkill]

It sounds like there will be further action taken by other clubs. That's the next problem. Leeds keep getting mentioned though and I just don't see what action a team that finished 19th could have.

Is there money difference between 19th-18th thats all they could claim for

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Is there money difference between 19th-18th thats all they could claim for

I’ve seen their fans put together a convoluted suggestion based on the fact they only took one point off us and Leicester took four they could’ve leapfrogged two places.

But that relies on a) a commission being willing to rewrite individual football scores and b) an assumption that but for a 19.5m overspend we’d have lost every single game we played, which is clearly pure fantasy.

So yes, my opinion is that the best they could hope for is based on prize money.

 

[RD2910]

I’ve seen their fans put together a convoluted suggestion based on the fact they only took one point off us and Leicester took four they could’ve leapfrogged two places.

But that relies on a) a commission being willing to rewrite individual football scores and b) an assumption that but for a 19.5m overspend we’d have lost every single game we played, which is clearly pure fantasy.

So yes, my opinion is that the best they could hope for is based on prize money.

In a season which the charge doesn't relate to...

 

[Dahnsouff]

Why would they be looking to guarantee Everton go down?

I wouldn’t, hence I said they

 

[Dahnsouff]

Looks like you don't have any understanding of anything.

Go and have a good read and then come back when you can finish a sentence.

No idea what you referring too. Weird response.

 

[RD2910]

I wouldn’t, hence I said they

Eh?