Current Affairs Labour and Anti Semitism.......

[roydo]

I suspect the wave of support for Corbyn in the NEC/NPF elections, and recent moves toward reselection, would not have been quite so emphatic had it not been for the pointlessness and malice of the anti-Corbynites' second attempt in 2016.

What's happening now isn't taking place in a vacuum... and it wasn't the Corbyn supporters who first provoked the rupture

Maybe not. But wringing their collective hands, blaming the press, Blairites, Fox, Murdoch, whatever, may well make them feel better.

But the point is simple. To get elected, he has to appeal to swathes of voters who dont care or dont even know all that. Replace a popular local MP with one who is a paid up member of Momentum might well get the support of his supporters, but will it get him elected?

Its the same song sung every 25 years or so.

 

[tsubaki]

Maybe not. But wringing their collective hands, blaming the press, Blairites, Fox, Murdoch, whatever, may well make them feel better.

But the point is simple. To get elected, he has to appeal to swathes of voters who dont care or dont even know all that. Replace a popular local MP with one who is a paid up member of Momentum might well get the support of his supporters, but will it get him elected?

Its the same song sung every 25 years or so.

If they replace Blairites with Momentumites it will be a disaster, but if they have genuine open selections it will be one of the best things to happen to British politics in years. Thirty years of rigourously controlled candidate selection by the two main parties have resulted in the worst, least talented Parliament we have had since at least 1832 (and probably quite a bit before that).

 

[peteblue]

Maybe not. But wringing their collective hands, blaming the press, Blairites, Fox, Murdoch, whatever, may well make them feel better.

But the point is simple. To get elected, he has to appeal to swathes of voters who dont care or dont even know all that. Replace a popular local MP with one who is a paid up member of Momentum might well get the support of his supporters, but will it get him elected?

Its the same song sung every 25 years or so.

This is the point Roydo, they never learn. They think that their brand of socialism is loved by all, when it really only appeals to the already converted. The next Tony Blair is just around the corner......

 

[davek]

It is Dave, but the point is that rather than having an issue which was based in some form of reality they now have to find other things (or pretend that this isnt solved).

That wont bother them or their friends in the BBC. Make up any BS issue and it'll get reported seriously. That's the way it works.

As said: pacify a bully and they keep on coming.

 

[peteblue]

If they replace Blairites with Momentumites it will be a disaster, but if they have genuine open selections it will be one of the best things to happen to British politics in years. Thirty years of rigourously controlled candidate selection by the two main parties have resulted in the worst, least talented Parliament we have had since at least 1832 (and probably quite a bit before that).

Indeed, I have often stated that today’s politicians are mere pygmies ( with apologies to pygmies for the comparison) compared to the politicians of yesterday......

 

[peteblue]

Difference this time around is that the Left have their hands on the levers of the party machinery. I suggest they start pulling a few and drop these Blairite neo-liberals down the toilet where faeces belongs.

They have the party machinery, but not the country, so they just have control of themselves......

 

[peteblue]

Won't change anything. The attacks in recent weeks have moved from the party to Corbyn himself. Margaret Hodge on Sunday as good as said the goal is to castrate Corbyn.

Fixed.......

 

[peteblue]

Good. Common sense prevails at last - adding that clause for 'free speech' would have undone the entire thing and made it all worse, because the definition already allows for that.

Labour's last few months of needlessly kicking themselves in the balls might finally begin to end now. They now need to acknowledge anti-semitism exists in the grassroots and beyond and begin to root it out.

You don’t really think that adopting this is fooling anyone do you......

 

[davek]

One member one vote (OMOV) at the conference , this is what its about, whats gone on is just tool to attack Corbyn, they cant hide now, timing is good actually, they will just sound self serving and aloof to their local party with up and coming OMOV if they continue it now. And besides the IHRA defintion of Antisemitism is a working definition... And this is when you do sort your dirty linen, when in oppostion and in fixed term, although election may come after March any time, lots of water under the bridge until we get there.

They dont care, and neither do a hungry right wing media desperate to hand a Corbyn led LP defeat in the next election. These people are in a state of shock and think that the global order as it was before the crash can be put back together again if only they can get shut of "the populists" taking power away from their Atlanticist neo-liberal political parties.

Expect more "IHRA" issues...a LOT more. They will come back for more and more and more.

 

[peteblue]

81 pages on a nothing issue.

81 pages to drive Labour into the 21st Century........

 

[tsubaki]

Indeed, I have often stated that today’s politicians are mere pygmies ( with apologies to pygmies for the comparison) compared to the politicians of yesterday......

... yet you keep backing a system which results in the pygmification of politicians.

 

[roydo]

If they replace Blairites with Momentumites it will be a disaster,

My prediction is that is exactly what they will do. Or try to anyrate.

 

[peteblue]

Booooooooooooooo!

They should have defied the Zionist apartheid state supporters and told them to 'kin swing it.

This wont keep them at bay. You dont appease an aggressive bunch of fascists, you take them on and destroy them.

Wrong move for Labour.

It is the wrong move. Now they look weak.......

 

[davek]

They have the party machinery, but not the country, so they just have control of themselves......

WTF has the country got to do with controlling the LP?

 

[peteblue]

... yet you keep backing a system which results in the pygmification of politicians.

Don’t have a go at me for your wishy washy, pc, never done a proper job, mp’s.....