Current Affairs Labour and Anti Semitism.......

[Bruce Wayne]

This isn't true, in the slightest.

In Wales, Labour gained 3 seats - and has put many seats (Aberconwy, Ceredigion, Clwyd West, Preseli Pembrokeshire, and the Vale of Glamorgan) back into play with an average swing of ~10% in its favour.

As for Scotland, I think many Scots will see Labour as a viable alternative to the SNP next time around.

I was talking about the last election, not future ones that are far from certain. It just seems odd that in parts of the country that have traditionally always been Labour, but where a viable left-wing alternative exists, much of those regions chose the alternative rather than Corbyn's Labour. Had he been the messiah many of you fellas believe he to be who is wrestling control back and leading Labour into the socialist chosen land, you would think Wales and Scotland would have come flocking back? Yet the Tories did better in Scotland than Labour did, which is frankly quite staggering.

You must surely accept that there is a strong risk that you're residing in a Corbynite echo chamber that doesn't allow you to see the wood for the trees?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The massive problem with Corbyn is as ever, he speaks in soundbites. Anti Semitism is wrong. IDF indiscriminate killings are wrong. There should be peace in the Middle East. All fine platitudes, but there never seems anything at all behind them. Surely the anti semitism is a perfect example to demonstrate leadership ability and set examples of what a Corbyn government would look like. Somehow actually looks worse than ‘safe hands’ May.

To be fair, he has spent the vast majority of his time in politics as a campaigning MP. Soundbites are his bread and butter. Prior to being elected leader, he's never been given any responsibility at all. No cabinet/shadow cabinet positions, to my knowledge he hasn't even chaired a select committee. Despite that though, he's the ideal bloke to run a country.

Say what you like about May, but she at least had several shadow cabinet positions and was Home Secretary for six years, so you could at least get an insight into whether she'd be good at these sort of things or not. For Corbynites, they believe in him in exactly the same way that Brexiteers believe in Brexit. It's a religion.

 

[Number_25]

I was talking about the last election, not future ones that are far from certain. It just seems odd that in parts of the country that have traditionally always been Labour, but where a viable left-wing alternative exists, much of those regions chose the alternative rather than Corbyn's Labour.

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Had he been the messiah many of you fellas believe he to be who is wrestling control back and leading Labour into the socialist chosen land, you would think Wales and Scotland would have come flocking back? Yet the Tories did better in Scotland than Labour did, which is frankly quite staggering.

The Labour Party has always been a democratic socialist party, right from its birth as the Independent Labour Party. We pretended it wasn't for a very long time and nearly died as a result. Given the state of politics right now, and the complete collapse of the centre-left throughout Europe, I honestly believe that the party has done well to disprove that left-wing ideology is something for the past - and that should be celebrated.

You must surely accept that there is a strong risk that you're residing in a Corbynite echo chamber that doesn't allow you to see the wood for the trees?

As I've said on numerous occasions, I wish there was a working class democratic socialist alternative to Jeremy Corbyn. I am by no means his biggest fan, often much to the dismay of party members at the CLP I belong to.

But you have to understand that the work done by Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown has led us into a position where there were hardly any left-of-centre voices within the party enchalons anymore. "Project Corbyn" is about much more than building a party around him and "his" ideology, it's about returning the party back to the people as a means of best representing the interests of working class people throughout this country.

I want us to go out to the 30% of eligible voters who don't vote with a message of compassion, fairness, and understanding as to the realities of daily struggle.

You may see it as some sort of "socialist chosen land", but I see it as the righteous use of something our forefathers fought tooth and nail to win - democracy.

 

[Number_25]

I was a fairly lonely kid, and my parents didn't have much to keep me occupied. During year 6, we were tasked with writing a report and giving a presentation on something history-related. After looking around, I decided to read up on the Newport Rising, and John Frost inparticular. I remember reading his letter to the Home Secretary who had just dismissed him as Justice of the Peace and feeling a strong sense duty toward him, the Chartists, and their struggles. This stuck with me so much that I now have the letter framed in my living room:

Uphold those bold Comrades, who suffer for you, who nobly stand foremost, demanding your due.
Away with the timid its treason to fear, to surrender or falter, when danger is near.
For now that our leaders disdain to betray, its base to desert them, or succumb delay.
Its time that the victims of labour and care, should for reap what is labour's fair share.
Its time that these voice in the councils be heard, the rather than pay for the law of the sword.
All power is ours, with a will of our own, we conquer, united; divided we groan.

Come hail brothers, hail the shrill sound of the horn, for ages deep wrongs have been hopelessly borne.
Despair shall no longer our spirits dismay, nor wither the arms when up raised for the fray.

The conflict for freedom is gathering nigh,
We live to secure it, or gloriously die.

 

[Number_25]

I want the Labour Party to represent that, not neoliberalist free market economics.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But you have to understand that the work done by Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown has led us into a position where there were hardly any left-of-centre voices within the party enchalons anymore. "Project Corbyn" is about much more than building a party around him and "his" ideology, it's about returning the party back to the people as a means of best representing the interests of working class people throughout this country.

Is that who are attracted by Corbyn? A number of sources suggest that the majority of new members since Corbyn was voted into power are anything but working class, such that the working class now represent a smaller proportion of overall membership than under New Labour.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rs-mostly-wealthy-city-dwellers-leaked-report
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/explaining-the-pro-corbyn-surge-in-labours-membership/
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/178403.html
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/01/how-middle-class-are-labour-s-new-members

 

[Number_25]

Is that who are attracted by Corbyn? A number of sources suggest that the majority of new members since Corbyn was voted into power are anything but working class, such that the working class now represent a smaller proportion of overall membership than under New Labour.

I have absolutely zero doubt that that's the case, hence why I want to see us go out there with a message of strong working class solidarity. Do you read anything I write?

 

[davek]

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No one's arsed about Zionists and their preoccupations.

It's time for the LP leadership to start going on that attack. Hopefully a rejection of the full implementation of that IHRA code today sees the exodus of 20 neo-liberal MPs and the party cleanse itslf of their alien influence.

 

[Steve0]

I don’t mean to be condescending, it can be a personal failing of mine.....

Pete, don’t take this the wrong way but you’re quite intellectually limited so being condescending doesn’t work.

You’re seeing anti-semitism everywhere btw. A well travelled gentleman like you? Hmmm...something’s not right!

lol lol

 

[Number_25]

Pete, don’t take this the wrong way but you’re quite intellectually limited so being condescending doesn’t work.

I think that's a little uncalled for.

 

[Steve0]

I think that's a little uncalled for.

It’s a personal failing.

 

[peteblue]

Pete, don’t take this the wrong way but you’re quite intellectually limited so being condescending doesn’t work.

You’re seeing anti-semitism everywhere btw. A well travelled gentleman like you? Hmmm...something’s not right!

lollol

Hahaha, I wouldn’t dream of taking it the wrong way......

 

[Blue 1]

The mask dropped on Sunday when Hodge had the miraculous epiphany that this anti-Semitism controversy would simply evaporate overnight if only Corbyn stepped down as Labour leader. Apparently such a complex, presumably deeply-riven and sensitive stain on the party can only and easily be resolved by amputating the leader. Ergo, if he doesn't go, then anti-Semitism remains. If he goes, it vanishes - just like that! Magic!

It also absolves the Blairite lot of having allowed it to presumably fester for the 20 years prior to Corbyn taking the reins.

Snakes, the lot of them.

 

[davek]

The mask dropped on Sunday when Hodge had the miraculous epiphany that this anti-Semitism controversy would simply evaporate overnight if only Corbyn stepped down as Labour leader. Apparently such a complex, presumably deeply-riven and sensitive stain on the party can only and easily be resolved by amputating the leader. Ergo, if he doesn't go, then anti-Semitism remains. If he goes, it vanishes - just like that! Magic!

It also absolves the Blairite lot of having allowed it to presumably fester for the 20 years prior to Corbyn taking the reins.

Snakes, the lot of them.

Zionist apartheid supporting neo-liberals who need expelling.

Hopefully the deselection of these aliens to the LP tradition will come swiftly. There needs to be a lot of blood-letting and they need to get on with it fast.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Indeed. By all means disagree with Netanyahu - I know I do, the man is a monster - but to be against the concept of Israel existing full stop is very arguably anti-semitic.

Because history is littered with annexations, land grabs through war, colonialism etc. but very few moan about the borders changing in other countries. So you have to wonder why Israel gets special treatment, and to come to the conclusion of anti-semitism isn't a very difficult leap to make.

You surely can't compare the actions of a modern "civilized" state with historical colonialism.