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It was a different one I saw, even a 1 point lead is pathetic given how terrible the Tories are.

Not this again. Corbyn has held 38-40% in polls for months now - despite the hostility of most of the media, many members of his own party, and the big donors. This is something that is unprecedented in modern British politics.

What are the reasons for this? Well, for a start thanks to decades of abuse journalists and journalism generally are largely held in contempt by the public, so attacks of the kind that once did for Foot and Kinnock progressively have had less and less effect the more they are repeated or the more absurd they get. Media support is still important, but it becomes less important when people don't believe it or are not influenced by it.

Then you come to the PLP, which thanks to reforms about "improving the quality of candidates" during Blair's day has become filled with banal careerists that mostly have no experience of anything, including actual politics, and who were therefore comprehensively smashed in contests they controlled twice. This means that three years of internal opposition has resulted in no obvious rival candidate coming from that source, nor is there likely to be one, nor have they even come up with an alternative programme to rally around. People are less bothered about Labour being split when half of that debate has demonstrated how rubbish they are several times.

Meanwhile the fact Corbyn has been opposed so much has meant that those who voted for him in the first place and those who have joined since are now much more active; CLPs are busier, there are more canvassers and the situation is moving towards a point where CLPs will be able to select their own candidates (which means that the quality of candidates will go up, given that there will actually be contests again) and the worst, most scandal-ridden Labour councils are being gradually dealt with. An accidental effect of this enthusiasm has been that party finances were sorted out early on - which meant in the 2017 manifesto that they were able to suggest policies that people actually liked, rather than those that they could get past donors.

None of those things are likely to go away anytime soon, which means that Corbyn will probably keep around 38-40% of the vote.

Of course May has a similar % of the vote in most polls, but how stable is her support?

Firstly, they are the party of Brexit - but whatever happens next March, that reason for voting for them will no longer exist once a decision is made one way or another. As a result the 2017 Tory voter might not vote for Corbyn, but they are going to be more likely to stay home or vote Lib Dem / UKIP (depending on who is disappointed) than they were in 2017. Secondly they are very reliant on donors; we have all seen who they've been taking money off and what the effect of that money has been on policy development - with the result that there is a severe housing crisis, transport costs are going up, councils are closing down. These are all things that affect people in a much more real way than stories in the media do and they will have even more of an effect at the next election than they did in 2017.

Finally there is the party itself, which has an aging membership and which is not being replaced (even the "doubling of membership" that Lewis announced earlier this year was less than it was in Cameron's day), plus CCHQ has taken over much of the job of selecting Parliamentary candidates - this means that they have fewer advocates and the standard of PPCs have gotten worse (even in the past ten years there has been a notable decline).
 
...so the solution is...get Corbyn out and get back to some Blairite-lite weasel to win over the British public...even though they were sick to the back teeth of them?

Nah, the trend is set and the result of the next election is sorted.

Ah yes, the ol' "Blairite" reflex. Grow up.

As I explained earlier, party leaders are valuable only insofar as they can deliver the party's policy agenda. Labour's policy agenda is now (entirely because of Corbyn's victories) popular with a clear majority of the public. Corbyn, on the other hand, is not.

When the schools are failing everywhere that I can afford to live, I don't ultimately care whether or not Corbyn is the Prime Minister, I care about whether or not the schools are going to be fixed.

When, having spent literally thousands of pounds on visa expenses and legal fees, my wife has to wait six months just to learn whether she is even allowed to enter the country, I don't care ultimately whether or not Corbyn is the Prime Minister, I care about whether or not the Home Office is going to be made humane.

You describe politics the way little girls discuss boy bands, and little boys discuss football managers. But for the rest of us, it is not a game.

Corbyn is almost 70.

If, after a historic voter swing and unprecedented youth enthusiam, there's really not a single person capable of assuming the progressive mantle after he grows too old or gets defeated again, then it really is all just pointless glorified celebrity gossip.
 
Ah yes, the ol' "Blairite" reflex. Grow up.

As I explained earlier, party leaders are valuable only insofar as they can deliver the party's policy agenda. Labour's policy agenda is now (entirely because of Corbyn's victories) popular with a clear majority of the public. Corbyn, on the other hand, is not.

When the schools are failing everywhere that I can afford to live, I don't ultimately care whether or not Corbyn is the Prime Minister, I care about whether or not the schools are going to be fixed.

When, having spent literally thousands of pounds on visa expenses and legal fees, my wife has to wait six months just to learn whether she is even allowed to enter the country, I don't care ultimately whether or not Corbyn is the Prime Minister, I care about whether or not the Home Office is going to be made humane.

You describe politics the way little girls discuss boy bands, and little boys discuss football managers. But for the rest of us, it is not a game.

Corbyn is almost 70.

If, after a historic voter swing and unprecedented youth enthusiam, there's really not a single person capable of assuming the progressive mantle after he grows too old or gets defeated again, then it really is all just pointless glorified celebrity gossip.
Utter tripe. It's not uncommon for leader's of the opposition to be well behind a sitting PM in terms of personal ratings. Thatcher was 20% points behind Callaghan in 1979 and still won.

I'd advise you to crack open a history book before commanding others to 'grow up'. 'kin nerve of you.

Corbyn is leader and will remain so. Stop stamping your feet.
 
Mate, he was tarred with being an anti-royalist, anti-armed forces, pro-IRA swivel eyed lunatic for months and months before the last election: Labour was still reinvigorated at the polls, doing way better than the insipid bunch of free-marketeers previously in charge of the LP in the previous two elections.

The moral of the story (and as said): no one gives a monkeys about these marginal (fabricated) issues.

Also a spy for Russia, and he paid bail for a IRA terrorist as well.

Just waiting for them to say he wrote the Xmas number 1 hit " Mr Blobby Song "
 
It doesn't matter what he says and does, the media will contort it and present it the way they wish becuase they are all against what he wants to put into action in any future Labour Government.

It's a shame that bemoaning the 'mainstream media' seems to be page 1 of the populist playbook. It's a lie that says our fantasy land would be reality if only crooked people weren't brainwashing you otherwise.

...so the solution is...get Corbyn out and get back to some Blairite-lite weasel to win over the British public...even though they were sick to the back teeth of them?

Nah, the trend is set and the result of the next election is sorted.

Have you thought at all that large chunks of the British population are sick to the back teeth of the Tories, and would gladly vote for someone that wasn't Jeremy Corbyn? Heck, if Blair was running for Labour in an election tomorrow, they would probably get my vote, and I've never voted Labour in my entire life. You've got in your mind that Labour are polling so well because of Corbyn, when the reality is they're polling so poorly because of him.
 
Have you thought at all that large chunks of the British population are sick to the back teeth of the Tories, and would gladly vote for someone that wasn't Jeremy Corbyn? Heck, if Blair was running for Labour in an election tomorrow, they would probably get my vote, and I've never voted Labour in my entire life. You've got in your mind that Labour are polling so well because of Corbyn, when the reality is they're polling so poorly because of him.

Unbelievable He has stood for two leadership campaigns and won, so join labour and have a say or vote Vince or something. But don't sit from a lofty distance and advise me and others on our membership and what we should be doing with it. Never voted Labour but I would consider Blair, and that's a wrap...
 
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It's a shame that bemoaning the 'mainstream media' seems to be page 1 of the populist playbook. It's a lie that says our fantasy land would be reality if only crooked people weren't brainwashing you otherwise.



Have you thought at all that large chunks of the British population are sick to the back teeth of the Tories, and would gladly vote for someone that wasn't Jeremy Corbyn? Heck, if Blair was running for Labour in an election tomorrow, they would probably get my vote, and I've never voted Labour in my entire life. You've got in your mind that Labour are polling so well because of Corbyn, when the reality is they're polling so poorly because of him.
If Blair was running for Labour then they would lose a massive chunk of their support. Have you forgotten about Iraq?? He’s partly responsible for millions of deaths and destabilising a subcontinent. Surely that’s worse than laying a wreath for victims of violence?

Blair’s name is like dirt to most Labour supporters I know.
 
Unbelievable He has stood for two leadership campaigns and won, so join labour and have a say or vote Vince or something. But don't sit from a lofty distance and advise me and others on our membership and what we should be doing with it. Never voted Labour but I would consider Blair, and that's a wrap...

Well presumably as a Labour member, your vote for them is pretty much guaranteed. You'd imagine therefore that you might be interested in the perspective of someone that doesn't normally vote Labour, as it's those folk that will be needed if Labour are to form the next government.

If Blair was running for Labour then they would lose a massive chunk of their support. Have you forgotten about Iraq?? He’s partly responsible for millions of deaths and destabilising a subcontinent. Surely that’s worse than laying a wreath for victims of violence?

Blair’s name is like dirt to most Labour supporters I know.

I suspect you're right, in the same way that the Lib Dems seem unable to shake tuition fees. A more centrist candidate would nonetheless get Labour into government (and probably get my vote given the paucity of options on the table elsewhere).
 
Utter tripe. It's not uncommon for leader's of the opposition to be well behind a sitting PM in terms of personal ratings. Thatcher was 20% points behind Callaghan in 1979 and still won.


I'd advise you to crack open a history book before commanding others to 'grow up'. 'kin nerve of you.

Corbyn is leader and will remain so. Stop stamping your feet.


Even recent history, Cameron and his promised Referendum was to be traded off with Mr Bad Guy Clegg because the polls told him it would be another coalition and Liberals would never accept EU Referendum for any power sharing, however, Cameron went and won and had to honour the EU referendum gamble.

And May with her ill-fated whisky drinking trip in Wales, because the polls told the Conservatives, at worst it would be 40 seat majority, yet here they are still believing the polls.

Too much faith in the bottom line figure, the arrogance of academia and its eveidence by not recognising there is human emotion with real lives in those polling figures, in other words the Tories have lost touch.



Well presumably as a Labour member, your vote for them is pretty much guaranteed. You'd imagine therefore that you might be interested in the perspective of someone that doesn't normally vote Labour, as it's those folk that will be needed if Labour are to form the next government.


Been round long enough to recognise an entrenched pro the market view. If Blair did not entice you, nothing will.
 
Been round long enough to recognise an entrenched pro the market view. If Blair did not entice you, nothing will.

I said now. If the choice was between May's Tories, Corbyn's Labour or Blair's Labour, I would vote for Blair's Labour. Maybe you're in a position whereby Corbyn ticks every single box for you, but I suspect the vast majority of people have to make compromises as no party speaks for them entirely. What the Tories are doing with Europe, and especially migration appals me. What Corbyn proposes to do with the economy (and his general distaste towards Europe as well) generally appals me. Given those choices, a new Labour candidate would get my tick, especially as the Lib Dems are so awful.
 
I suspect you're right, in the same way that the Lib Dems seem unable to shake tuition fees. A more centrist candidate would nonetheless get Labour into government (and probably get my vote given the paucity of options on the table elsewhere).
I’m not so sure they would.

It’s a catch 22 situation. Without support from the media it’s hard to imagine Labour getting a majority. But to get that media support Labour would need to please the billionaires in charge of the media in this country. If they’re compromising their policies to suit billionaires then they won’t be much better than the Tories.
 
I’m not so sure they would.

It’s a catch 22 situation. Without support from the media it’s hard to imagine Labour getting a majority. But to get that media support Labour would need to please the billionaires in charge of the media in this country. If they’re compromising their policies to suit billionaires then they won’t be much better than the Tories.

I'd say it's more about policies that appeal to the Guardian rather than Morning Star to be honest.
 
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