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[Number_25]

He's sadly made quite a habit out of sitting on the fence, which goes against his being a man of principles.

Schrödinger's Corbyn.

Left wing radical, dangerous to the fabric of society.

Whilst also being a fence sitter.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Schrödinger's Corbyn.

Left wing radical, dangerous to the fabric of society.

Whilst also being a fence sitter.

You only have to listen to @davek . He's sitting on the fence because it's politically expedient for him to do so, as the Tories are doing such a fantastic job of getting him to the brink of power. He knows full well that his true feelings would be really rather divisive, so he's doing the best he can not to divulge them, hence he sits on the fence. Dave seems perfectly happy for him to put party before country, but it doesn't sit well with the image he's tried to cultivate of himself.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't say he's a danger to the fabric of society in the sense that Trump is. An extremist on economic matters is probably less divisive than an extremist on social matters.

 

[Number_25]

You only have to listen to @davek . He's sitting on the fence because it's politically expedient for him to do so, as the Tories are doing such a fantastic job of getting him to the brink of power. He knows full well that his true feelings would be really rather divisive, so he's doing the best he can not to divulge them, hence he sits on the fence. Dave seems perfectly happy for him to put party before country, but it doesn't sit well with the image he's tried to cultivate of himself.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't say he's a danger to the fabric of society in the sense that Trump is. An extremist on economic matters is probably less divisive than an extremist on social matters.

Wouldn't have to worry about any of that though, seeing as he's a fence sitter.

 

[davek]

You only have to listen to @davek . He's sitting on the fence because it's politically expedient for him to do so, as the Tories are doing such a fantastic job of getting him to the brink of power. He knows full well that his true feelings would be really rather divisive, so he's doing the best he can not to divulge them, hence he sits on the fence. Dave seems perfectly happy for him to put party before country, but it doesn't sit well with the image he's tried to cultivate of himself.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't say he's a danger to the fabric of society in the sense that Trump is. An extremist on economic matters is probably less divisive than an extremist on social matters.

Anyone who sees Corbyn as an extremist really have little experience or knowledge of British political history. Corbyn is a middle of the road Old Labour Statist. He's wedded to "the mother of all parliaments" and would be about as willing to see its powers shorn as Theresa May would.

Incredible what the generation of people who grew up knowing nothing but Thatcherism believe to be radical.

 

[roydo]

Anyone who sees Corbyn as an extremist really have little experience or knowledge of British political history. Corbyn is a middle of the road Old Labour Statist. He's wedded to "the mother of all parliaments" and would be about as willing to see its powers shorn as Theresa May would.

Incredible what the generation of people who grew up knowing nothing but Thatcherism believe to be radical.

Well put. He is the classic left wing idealist, who until recently was afforded the luxury of indulging his views without ever being remotely near power.

But an extremist? Only in Daily Mail world.

Whats the thread? Oh, Anti Semitism. Er, not really got a dog in the fight, but I think one can side with Palestine/disagree with Israel without being labelled anti Jew. Even though it makes for an easy target if one has an agenda.

 

[Alan Whittle]

What is bizarre is that there is an agreed definition, accepted by pretty well everyone, that Labour have watered down....

"accepted by pretty well everyone". Certainly there is an accepted international standard accepted by self interested groups or others that succumb to self interested groups. That doesn't make it compulsory.

 

[Jib in lad]

 

[peteblue]

"accepted by pretty well everyone". Certainly there is an accepted international standard accepted by self interested groups or others that succumb to self interested groups. That doesn't make it compulsory.

Indeed, and I hope that Corbyn and co keep digging the hole.......

 

[Number_25]

Indeed, and I hope that Corbyn and co keep digging the hole.......

You really are a horrible arsehole.

 

[superblue123]

Anyone who sees Corbyn as an extremist really have little experience or knowledge of British political history. Corbyn is a middle of the road Old Labour Statist. He's wedded to "the mother of all parliaments" and would be about as willing to see its powers shorn as Theresa May would.

Incredible what the generation of people who grew up knowing nothing but Thatcherism believe to be radical.

To say Corbyn is not an extremist in any realm of British political history is a complete distortion of the man, his ideals, words and actions.

He may be wedded to the "mother of all parliaments", but I do not suppose any Leader of the Opposition has hosted Abou Jahjah - a Hezbollah fighter, a man who has said Jews invented the Holocaust, shared a picture of Ann Frank in bed with Hitler and spoke of a "victory" after 9/11 - at the Houses of Parliament after the incumbent Labour foreign secretary had banned him from the UK.

How do Corbyn supporters think the man is immune from criticism? His handling of the anti-semitism issue (putting to one side whether you think the issue is a "smear campaign" by Zionists) has been a terrible indictment of his leadership and management ability.

 

[peteblue]

You really are a horrible arsehole.

Thank you......

 

[Groucho]

Anyone who sees Corbyn as an extremist really have little experience or knowledge of British political history. Corbyn is a middle of the road Old Labour Statist. He's wedded to "the mother of all parliaments" and would be about as willing to see its powers shorn as Theresa May would.

Incredible what the generation of people who grew up knowing nothing but Thatcherism believe to be radical.

Well put. He is the classic left wing idealist, who until recently was afforded the luxury of indulging his views without ever being remotely near power.

But an extremist? Only in Daily Mail world.

Whats the thread? Oh, Anti Semitism. Er, not really got a dog in the fight, but I think one can side with Palestine/disagree with Israel without being labelled anti Jew. Even though it makes for an easy target if one has an agenda.

Words like radical and extreme are now the norm, even if what's being described is anything but.

There's no middle ground in media these days.

 

[tsubaki]

To say Corbyn is not an extremist in any realm of British political history is a complete distortion of the man, his ideals, words and actions.

He may be wedded to the "mother of all parliaments", but I do not suppose any Leader of the Opposition has hosted Abou Jahjah - a Hezbollah fighter, a man who has said Jews invented the Holocaust, shared a picture of Ann Frank in bed with Hitler and spoke of a "victory" after 9/11 - at the Houses of Parliament after the incumbent Labour foreign secretary had banned him from the UK.

How do Corbyn supporters think the man is immune from criticism? His handling of the anti-semitism issue (putting to one side whether you think the issue is a "smear campaign" by Zionists) has been a terrible indictment of his leadership and management ability.

You know, you really should do some research before just blindly reposting things you read about on the internet - if you did, you'd realise that almost everything you posted above is wrong.

Abu Jahjah wasn't a Hezbollah fighter (he is from Belgium - the Hezbollah fighter present was an Lebanese MP who is now the Lebanese Minister of Industry), the claims about Jews inventing the Holocaust and Ann Frank in bed with Hitler were actually cartoons (and cartoons drawn in a stupid attempt to highlight the double standard over the Mohammed cartoons in that Danish paper), what he actually said about 9/11 was as follows:

Almost two months have passed since the eleventh of September, and now we can start reflecting on this whole issue with the necessary rationality and distance. The first thing that comes to our mind is trying to understand our own reactions and emotions in relation to that event. And when I say ‘our’ I’m thinking of us Arabs whether living abroad or in our homeland. I do realize that we did not have a unanimous way of reacting that day, but there was something in common. Most of us except a small percentage of exceptions that confirm the standard as such- felt that day something that can not be described as joy, or as happiness, but rather as that sweet revenge feeling. We all had é except that small minority- a “what goes around comes around'” attitude.

Seeing people jump out of the windows of the WTC, was a very disturbing sight for all of us, we all felt bad about that, and sorry for these people. That sorrow feeling was also very present whenever we tried to think of how it would have been for the poor passengers on these planes.

But then, we remembered, Iraq, Beirut, Palestine, and the millions of Arabs who perished under American-Israeli aggression over the last 50 years, and that bitter sweet feeling would come back “hell, let them feel one day what we were feeling for half a century because of them”, you would hear that everywhere, and above all places in your own mind.

Once someone told me that the toughest meeting a person might have is that with himself. And it was very difficult for us to realize that we are able of experiencing a feeling of satisfaction after such atrocity, it was very disturbing indeed. We started wondering, “what is going on with us” and almost everybody would answer ” look how far did they bring us” everybody also said ” they were killing us, humiliating us and oppressing us for so long that we lost a part of our humanity, that part that cherishes human life unconditionally”. We tried to understand our reactions, why didn’t we morn the dead, why didn’t we s terrified as the rest of the world did? Well maybe because, no one mourned our dead, no one stood even a second of silence for the half a million (and some say one million) Iraqi children slaughtered (albeit very neatly) by the American-British embargo. They taught us by killing us over and over again that human life is so cheap as thousands and thousands of us scattered by their “smart” bombs are nothing but regrettable “collateral damage”, regrettable but acceptable. So one day we saw them being slaughtered and we found ourselves thinking and talking like that, we caught ourselves feeling that all these innocent civilians in the planes and at the WTC were just regrettable collateral damage.

But now after two months an alarm is ringing inside, and we are starting to realize a lot of things. There is something in our Arab-Islamic culture that can not sink that low, that rejects to become as barbaric as our enemy.

“Make no mistake” we are no heart-bleeding softies wanting to save the dolphins, and we do not have a “turn the other cheek” value making us feel guilty whenever we don’t (Europe is so imprisoned in its guilt feelings since it NEVER turned the other cheek), our culture and religion both say ”you hit me on my cheek, I give you a blow in your face. You stay out of my way, I will not bother you”. But at the same time, we have a very deeply rooted value, both religious and cultural, that a “soul” is sacred and should never be killed unless in self-defense or when executing a criminal murderer.

Our nation was not build through a process of genocide and ethnic cleansing like the United States or Israel. So the value of mass murder is not own to our heritage. Our heroes are not Indian-killing cowboys, or criminals like Begin, Shamir and Sharon, and we would not give a medal to someone after burning a whole city with all its men, women and children with an atomic bomb.

So whenever criminals among us (because like any nation of humans, us Arabs have also criminals among us) commit a horrible act of genocide or even a small attack against civilians, we are unable to behave like Americans and Israelis and applaud it feeling that it is a heroic act. We might applaud it yes, because once again I remind you that we are humans, we bare grudges and we are vulnerable to the seduction of revenge. But while applauding we will be feeling bad, and knowing how terrible it is.

Now, almost two months after the eleventh of September, we see things clear(er). It is terrible how criminals can cause by their acts the misery for so many people, people of their own kind and people of their alleged enemy. How violence will breed violence that will breed more violence. It is really terrible that criminals keep on killing civilians in name of avenging the civilians that other criminals killed.

Why don’t Doctor Frankenstein go after its created monster, and withdraw into a top of a mountain in a cave somewhere to either kill each other, or to contemplate about who is the monster and who is the victim, and over who started it first. But please, stop causing “collateral damage” it is like the pest, if you start it, it will definitely come back to your home.

... and the invite to Parliament came before he had been banned by a Labour Home Secretary, not afterwards.

By the way, I am not saying I agree with anything that Abu Jahjah says - but you could at least make the effort to find out whether the things you have read are accurate before using him to smear someone else.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Indeed, and I hope that Corbyn and co keep digging the hole.......

History will be kind to Corbyn et al. His strong stance against the current ultra nationalist Israel government which is instigating apartheid, Corbyn is one of few voices of dissent and critique of this very dark step the current Israel government is taking.

 

[Tubey]

History will be kind to Corbyn et al. His strong stance against the current ultra nationalist Israel government which is instigating apartheid, Corbyn is one of few voices of dissent and critique of this very dark step the current Israel government is taking.

That's the problem - he isn't.