Clemence was a great goalkeeper - his overall career and trophy haul is testament to that. However, his England career was very patchy indeed. He made his own fair share of blunders, and was, often, unfairly blamed for other goals by sections of the press. Pickford's England career has so far been, objectively, more successful than Clemence's.
“ Really no debate who will go down as the better England keeper- and that’s Pickford, well I think you are absolutely correct there,as long as the debate is just Evertonians debating it. Definitely nothing to do with misty eyed “ they were all better when I was a kid nonsense, nor am I overrating Clemence, far from it, he was a great goalkeeper and most fans will give due praise, especially the neutral ones.
Nothing to do with Evertonians, I'm not debating their club records, as i have made that clear, i'm saying you're overrating Clemence as 'England' goalkeeper- and picking holes in Jordan's England career, despite it being excellent (so far). Your previous posts sum-up your bias against Pickford, especially post #694, when it's obvious you'll just do anything not to give him due credit and build your own parameters for this.
That's the thing, one of my mate's who i sit with at the game, has only just started to give Jordan credit, his complaint was always "he's far better for England than Everton". I disagreed it was as wide a margin as he claimed but there was a time when I could see where he was coming from (maybe around the time you suggest). Not any more though.
You also can't forget the level up he seemed to achieve with the arrival of the slicked back barnet.
I'm not advocating selling,as you say finding another would be difficult at the level we shop and finding an up and coming keeper is risky. But as with Richarlison it might be taken out of our hands by FFP rules, so after a decent WC would be the time to cash in.
.I’d say it’s got quite a lot to do with Everton fans in this debate, as for Pickford he’s had plenty of praise off me,especially for his performances at the end of last season when he helped to keep Everton up along with a few more in the team, I don’t see where I have picked holes in Pickford’s England career, I see his faults and mention them, you must have seen the same faults yourself surely.
You basically dismissed his two excellent tournaments, as you claim they didn't beat any 'top' teams and lost to the 'good ones', so you'll have to tell me what you regard as the criteria for a 'top team' (also, they drew with Italy and lost on pens, another game where he was many people's MOTM, not sure that can really go against him...then again, i'm sure it does for you
).I dismiss all of England‘s “ achievements” they had an easy passage through both tournaments doubt if I even watched some of those games, two excellent tournaments, come on Stevie!!You basically dismissed his two excellent tournaments, as you claim they didn't beat any 'top' teams and lost to the 'good ones', so you'll have to tell me what you regard as the criteria for a 'top team' (also, they drew with Italy and lost on pens, another game where he was many people's MOTM, not sure that can really go against him...then again, i'm sure it does for you
Your comments are a bit like being critical of Southall's legendary save from Varadi in 1985 or those multiple great saves he had vs Coventry in 1988, on the premise that "it wasn't really against top teams".
He did and you're right you didn't watch those games by the sounds of it. Your opinion on Pickford's England performances is becoming more laughable each post, to be honest.
He wasn't good under Rafael
It honestly isn't. I mean we've done it so that pretty much tells you how easy it is.
