Jordan Peterson Thread.

[dholliday]

The more I think about it, the long form debate is a way for the right wing to silence the left through submission. Never accepting their logic flaws while pinpointing absolutes to support their own logic.

so what you're saying is, I'm a lobster?

 

[ilikecheese]

so what you're saying is, I'm a lobster?

Sorry don't get the joke...if it was one.

Just saying that it's exhausting and I've realized through this process that anyone dealing in absolutes to support or deny a position should be viewed as an extremist.

JP of course dances on that line to keep it on topic.

Also he displayed overt female dismissal in Mezz's vid to build a bridge. Can't imagine any woman in my current life not being angered by his words.

 

[dholliday]

Sorry don't get the joke...if it was one.

The joke being that Cathy Newman clearly wasn't equipped for long-form debate.

Just saying that it's exhausting and I've realized through this process that anyone dealing in absolutes to support or deny a position should be viewed as an extremist.

You've dealt in absolutes yourself in this thread, or you were until I steered you away from it slightly (the 100% white privilege question).

You also claim all American white males as your people and are embarrassed by them, so you try your best to atone for their past sins. However loose you meant it that's quite an absolutist statement.

JP of course dances on that line to keep it on topic.

Also he displayed overt female dismissal in Mezz's vid to build a bridge. Can't imagine any woman in my current life not being angered by his words.

The women in my life have differing views on JP's traditionalist-conservative take on womanhood, I can imagine one or two would also be angered, but most are either blasé or even agree to a point. My experience is most women aren't big followers of 4th-wave feminism, and it's mostly those 4th-wave feminists that have beef with JP.

 

[Aqui1a]

Honestly don't understand the point of posting other comments from other online-communities without any context.

Don't you have your own opinion, mate? What is it you want to say? Just curious as you only seem to post comments critical of the man, it's like you want your thinking to be done for you (one of the things JP is railing against).

lol Yes, I have my own opinions. My opinion is that Jordan is a fraud who only gained fame because he refused to use certain pronouns - now he's being hailed by some as the second coming. I'm just here effectively retweeting tweets I agree with.

By the way, what do you think about the fact that Jordan thinks for someone to successfully quit smoking, they need to have a religious experience? lol

 

[Aqui1a]

Here are some Tweets I posted in another thread, which I'd prefer to have here...







And here's an interesting link about his time as an "expert" witness: https://pressprogress.ca/jordan-pet...the-court-called-his-expert-opinions-dubious/

 

[dholliday]

lol Yes, I have my own opinions. My opinion is that Jordan is a fraud who only gained fame because he refused to use certain pronouns - now he's being hailed by some as the second coming. I'm just here effectively retweeting tweets I agree with.

A fraud of what? Psychology? Helper of young men? Scourge of the alt-Left?

He's gained fame for a number of reasons:

- because he refuses compelled speech
- because he was on Joe Rogan
- because his book is a bestseller
- because he helps young men find their path in life
- because he's an interesting talker with many different things to say
- because he showed up mainstream TV-interviewism (Channel 4)
- because the Left demonise him
- because he's an avid Twitter user who sometimes posts something controversial

I agree he has his überfans but so does every celebrity. Most mature followers of JP have a few major disagreements with him.

And imagine if most people on here just re-posted comments from other people from other forums? You post someone from Twitter saying something, then I'd post some Youtube comment from someone else, then Cheese would post a Facebook comment he saw. It'd be a weird debate.

We should try it sometime lol

By the way, what do you think about the fact that Jordan thinks for someone to successfully quit smoking, they need to have a religious experience? lol

I disagree with that. I quit smoking because it was making my asthma bad. I still fancy a smoke sometimes, but then I remember how it makes my breathing.

Here are some Tweets I posted in another thread, which I'd prefer to have here...







And here's an interesting link about his time as an "expert" witness: https://pressprogress.ca/jordan-pet...the-court-called-his-expert-opinions-dubious/

Those godly comments are wordy waffle, they don't mean anything useful.

Also agree with the Judge that in this case Peterson's input didn't sway the case.


What do you think about the comments from Durham Council (from that tweet you linked earlier)?:

"Mr. Peterson’s racist, misogynist, and transphobic views...Those who seek to exclude or deny the humanity of others will find no comfort here. We believe that violence against women is horrific and unacceptable under any circumstances. "

Do you find the above attempt from Durham Council to tarnish & by extension noplatform JP fair? If so, have you found any evidence that JP has said or done things that warrant these accusations?


Also, what do you think of the many anecdotal reports he is helping people with aimlessness & depression find some order in their life?

 

[Steve0]

A fraud of what? Psychology? Helper of young men? Scourge of the alt-Left?

He's gained fame for a number of reasons:

- because he refuses compelled speech
- because he was on Joe Rogan
- because his book is a bestseller
- because he helps young men find their path in life
- because he's an interesting talker with many different things to say
- because he showed up mainstream TV-interviewism (Channel 4)
- because the Left demonise him
- because he's an avid Twitter user who sometimes posts something controversial

I agree he has his überfans but so does every celebrity. Most mature followers of JP have a few major disagreements with him.

And imagine if most people on here just re-posted comments from other people from other forums? You post someone from Twitter saying something, then I'd post some Youtube comment from someone else, then Cheese would post a Facebook comment he saw. It'd be a weird debate.

We should try it sometime lol




I disagree with that. I quit smoking because it was making my asthma bad. I still fancy a smoke sometimes, but then I remember how it makes my breathing.





Those godly comments are wordy waffle, they don't mean anything useful.

Also agree with the Judge that in this case Peterson's input didn't sway the case.


What do you think about the comments from Durham Council (from that tweet you linked earlier)?:

"Mr. Peterson’s racist, misogynist, and transphobic views...Those who seek to exclude or deny the humanity of others will find no comfort here. We believe that violence against women is horrific and unacceptable under any circumstances. "

Do you find the above attempt from Durham Council to tarnish & by extension noplatform JP fair? If so, have you found any evidence that JP has said or done things that warrant these accusations?


Also, what do you think of the many anecdotal reports he is helping people with aimlessness & depression find some order in their life?

Seriously dude, are you even reading the replies?

There's plenty that he's said (and been quoted in replies to you) that, at the very least, one could see how one might possibly perceive him to be racist, transphobic and sexist.

You can answer with the alt-right buzzwords of snowflake, sensitive, beta, cuck etc. But denying white privilege, saying woman wear high heels cos they're desperate for the D and trans people have no right to request a preferred pro-noun convicts him of those charges in my mind.

You can disagree but please stop arguing as though these accusations have been plucked from the ether. Because, quite frankly, it just makes you look a little odd.

 

[dholliday]

Seriously dude, are you even reading the replies?

I could ask the same of you.

There's plenty that he's said (and been quoted in replies) to you that, at the very least, one could see how one might possibly perceive him to be racist, transphobic and racist.

Disagree. No one yet has posted anything which would make one fairly perceive JP as racist, transphobic and I assume you wanted to put also misogynist in there.

You can answer with the alt-right buzzwords of snowflake, sensitive, beta, cuck etc.

Didn't you read my replies? I haven't used any of those words.

But denying white privilege

You're misunderstanding or misrepresenting JP, which is often the problem. Did you read my reply where I quote what he actually said about white privilege? He doesn't deny it.

saying woman wear high heels cos they're desperate for the D

Did you not read my reply to that earlier? I said that was a thought experiment. He does it all the time in his lectures. And again you're misrepresenting him. Nowhere has he said, even as thought experiment, that it's because women are desperate for sex.

and trans people have no right to request a preferred pro-noun

People have no right in general to compel other people to use their preferred broken rules of the English language.

You don't have a right to compel me to call you a she if you look like a Steve. You can ask me, and I can voluntarily do so. JP has said much the same thing.

convicts him of those charges in my mind.

You're entitled to your opinion, but your views are in the minority.

You can disagree but please stop arguing as though these accusations have been plucked from the ether. Because, quite frankly, it just makes you look a little odd.

Where did I argue these accusations have been plucked from the ether? I've argued these accusations are unfounded. And clearly they still are if your very own paraphrasing of some things JP has said is the best 'evidence' you have.

Accusing someone of being racist, transphobic and misogynist are really hefty accusations: they can ruin someone's career. People are throwing these terms around like they mean nothing anymore. It's cheapening language, so that the next time a genuine racist, transphobic and misogynist comes around, he will be labelled with cheapened language.

It's like the cries of "Nazi!" to someone who has different opinions on immigration. The insult has lost all meaning. Which is a shame as genuine Nazis are still out there, but their horrendous views have been cheapened by misuse of language. It becomes easier to brush off.

And I've said it a few times already...this is why Trump got elected.

 

[Aqui1a]

A fraud of what? Psychology? Helper of young men? Scourge of the alt-Left?

He's gained fame for a number of reasons:

- because he refuses compelled speech
- because he was on Joe Rogan
- because his book is a bestseller
- because he helps young men find their path in life
- because he's an interesting talker with many different things to say
- because he showed up mainstream TV-interviewism (Channel 4)
- because the Left demonise him
- because he's an avid Twitter user who sometimes posts something controversial

I agree he has his überfans but so does every celebrity. Most mature followers of JP have a few major disagreements with him.

And imagine if most people on here just re-posted comments from other people from other forums? You post someone from Twitter saying something, then I'd post some Youtube comment from someone else, then Cheese would post a Facebook comment he saw. It'd be a weird debate.

We should try it sometime lol




I disagree with that. I quit smoking because it was making my asthma bad. I still fancy a smoke sometimes, but then I remember how it makes my breathing.





Those godly comments are wordy waffle, they don't mean anything useful.

Also agree with the Judge that in this case Peterson's input didn't sway the case.


What do you think about the comments from Durham Council (from that tweet you linked earlier)?:

"Mr. Peterson’s racist, misogynist, and transphobic views...Those who seek to exclude or deny the humanity of others will find no comfort here. We believe that violence against women is horrific and unacceptable under any circumstances. "

Do you find the above attempt from Durham Council to tarnish & by extension noplatform JP fair? If so, have you found any evidence that JP has said or done things that warrant these accusations?


Also, what do you think of the many anecdotal reports he is helping people with aimlessness & depression find some order in their life?

He's a fraud because of the inane advice he gives to people - a mixture of common sense and word salad.

That list of things came after his refusal to use his students' preferred pronouns, his take on recognising trans people and his opposition to the C-16 bill. So yeah, he pretty much is famous because of that. And do you know what? He was absolutely wrong about the C-16 bill. Here's a letter from the Canadian bar association saying as much: https://www.cba.org/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=be34d5a4-8850-40a0-beea-432eeb762d7f

Yeah, Peterson's fans are the absolute worst. It's incredible the number of times I've seen them meet legitimate criticism of Peterson with cries of, "Well you just don't know what he means! You need to watch all his stuff before you can even begin to understand it," or something very similar. Cult-like behaviour, if you ask me, and I'm not even exaggerating there.

Mate, what is wrong with me posting Tweets that show just how much of a fraud Peterson is? If you want to provide material in this thread, have at it, Hoss! And for the record, it's not just me posting someone else's opinion. The Tweets I've been posting either show quotes of Peterson himself, or other evidence of the silly things he says and does. lol


I'm glad you disagree with Peterson's claim that one needs a religious experience to successfully give up smoking. However, I was hoping from a bit more from you, you know? Like, "Bloody hell, this man's meant to be a professor of psychology, what the bloody hell is he on about??? Why are people paying him money to spout such absolute bollocks??" lol

I'm also glad you agree that he posts a lot of Christian word salad, as in the tweets I provided. But again, a bit more than I disagree with this statement as if you're from the Neutral Planet in Futurama would have been a bit better.. heh. Same with the thing about his role as an expert witness. Did you read the whole article? Did you read the damning comments from the judge about Peterson? It all adds up to Peterson being a dangerous fraud, imo.

As for the Durham thing, I'm not sure. He has said some horrific things in the past, like the women wearing high-heels and make-up at work. There's so much material, it's hard to pick other relevant examples heh... But yeah, I'd rather people were more careful about throwing those words about in general.

 

[Aqui1a]

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...asses-he-calls-indoctrination-cults-1.4396974

U of T profs alarmed by Jordan Peterson's plan to target classes he calls 'indoctrination cults'

Psychology professor Jordan Peterson's stated plan to build a website aimed at reducing enrolment in university classes he calls "indoctrination cults" has drawn the ire of his University of Toronto colleagues, who say it will make them the target of harassment.

"As a science professor, I'm not specifically targeted, but I still believe this website is morally wrong," U of T physics professor A.W. Peet told As It Happens host Carol Off. "A number of students and faculty members who I'm in correspondence with are concerned about his plans."

Peterson, who rose to fame in right-wing circles after his outspoken refusal to use gender-neutral pronouns, says he wants to use artificial intelligence to scour university curriculums for what he "calls post-modern neo-Marxist course content."

Click the link to read more

 

[dholliday]

As for the Durham thing, I'm not sure. He has said some horrific things in the past, like the women wearing high-heels and make-up at work.

There's so much material, it's hard to pick other relevant examples heh...

Yeah, it does seem to be hard to pick relevant examples, doesn't it? So much material...

 

[Aqui1a]

I don't buy the whole 'thought experiment' excuse - he's not Sam Harris, come on lol ... I advise people to listen to Peterson here, especially the part about make-up and high-heels at around 6:30 onwards.

 

[Aqui1a]

Yeah, it does seem to be hard to pick relevant examples, doesn't it? So much material...

Yeah, the horror. You can reply facetiously like this, but he does say some concerning things about women, for some reason. Maybe it's to quench the thirst of many of his fans. I wouldn't be surprised.

Well, yes, a lot of material. And you seem to ignore every example given, with at most, "I disagree with that," and then it's forgotten. It's like you refuse to see the forest for the trees, mate. lol

 

[dholliday]

I don't buy the whole 'thought experiment' excuse - he's not Sam Harris, come on lol ... I advise people to listen to Peterson here, especially the part about make-up and high-heels at around 6:30 onwards.

That's because you're posting VICE's edited version, which has been criticised for attempting to show JP in a negative light. Editing interview answers without context is a proven method to paint things a certain way.

The context of what he was saying can be heard in the extended version:



Do you know what misogynist actually means? Language is important. If you do, and you continue to label JP that on the basis of this VICE interview, then you are seeing hatred of women where no sensible observers are seeing any.

Why do you think that is?

 

[Aqui1a]

You're misunderstanding or misrepresenting JP, which is often the problem.

It's incredible the number of times I've seen them meet legitimate criticism of Peterson with cries of, "Well you just don't know what he means! You need to watch all his stuff before you can even begin to understand it," or something very similar.

Damn, if only I'd posted my comment a few minutes earlier. Oh well, you get the picture.