Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46
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Other pairings that, startlingly, aren't any different:
* Labor and Conservatives
* Remain and Brexit
* EFC and LFC
* Your political nous and a hole in the gound
Say, these Hot Takes are easy once you know the secret!
BirkenheadBlue
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Rook
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I wanted Sanders or Warren. Biden says he's taking a woman VP, which means there is a better chance he'll take a white guy as VP instead of Warren (they don't agree on much so it doesn't make any sense whatsoever). Anyway not going to take my ball and go home that he/she wasn't the nominee. Even though I live in a state where its going to be a Biden landslide and my vote doesn't really count.
Biden has been in govt for a long long time so we got a good look at him. He's definitely in the Rockefeller Republician wing of the Democratic party (the wing that rules the DNC and loses winnable elections). Probably as a senator was very slightly to the right of Obama maybe somewhere in the Hillary range.
The bad: His defense of the drug war as a senator well into the 90-00s has been straight up Reagan 1985ish. He loves dem banks and less regulation the better. Most likely because he was a Delaware senator. For those of you who don't or live in the US, Delaware is the little booger that's next to Maryland. There are more corporations and chickens in Delaware than people, it is Strip Mall Switzerland.
The good: he's mallable. Biden when things go off the rails has shown he can be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing. The drug war is something that's he's toned down significantly. He, kinda thankfully, lacks Obama's oratory skills to worm his way out and keep at arms length things like the 1% protests and the beginnings of cops gone wild. He's also not like Hillary, who's default response in a crisis is to double down and mash the centrist panic button. He does show empathy, and for the most part it does feels geniune as well.
So if, and its a big if, he's elected what its going to take is sustained and organized pressure from the left (we are really really bad at the whole organization thing - plz do better left). He can change, and no we aren't going to win every battle, we aren't turning into Canada but we can roll back some of the damage done. So we can't treat Biden w/ kid gloves and needlessly "protect" him, because he'll be replaced by a hard core Trumpist who knows what he's doing in 2024 (Trump losing in 2020 won't be the end of him, he'll still be the RNC kingmaker).
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Showing the importance of people just going out to vote as polls can and do change.
Hi Kenshin, a thorough dissection of the "Trump and Biden are no different" fallacy can be found below. Please review and refrain from making that donk assertion in future thnks
So D, I'm seeing a lot of "Well Trump is (insert character deficiency) but so is (insert Democratic politician) and it's simplistic logic that I admit works quite well because;
The first and third components of this logic hold up in every circumstance, but it's the second point that warrants closer inspection, as just because it is somewhat true doesn't really tell the whole story. So I have formulated the Cuco Equation which I hope explains what I mean more clearly.
- It's a coherent sentence
- It usually has some truth in it
- Pulling it apart every time would take too long and derail the thread.
The Cuco Equation
Here are our two subjects:
- On the left is Cuco Martina, Everton right-back and possibly the worst professional footballer I can think of.
- To his right is Jimmy, a boy born with a rare congenital defect that means he has cucumbers for legs
Now, Jimmy doesn't let his disability deter him and his love of football. He plays football all the time and, within the very small sample group of children who have cucumbers for legs, he might even be considered pretty good. But overall, he has worse control than Lukaku, no upper body strength, no accuracy, no pace and any small successes he has on the field are usually facilitated by his loving and supportive friends.
Now at this point, there are two true statements we could make about both Cuco and Jimmy:
The Scenario
- They both play football
- They are both terrible at football
So let's say, hypothetically, we're debating who should line out against Manchester United tomorrow, and these were your only two choices for right-back, you could say this to argue Jimmy's case:
"Yeah Jimmy's bad at football, but so is Cuco Martina." This is a true statement
And if you wanted to indicate that you were just taking the middle ground and not overlooking Jimmy's severe defects as a footballer, you could say something like "Our scouting policy is terrible if these are our only two choices", to further shift the conversation elsewhere.
But all joking aside about Cuco's relative merits as a footballer, if we were to line out against Manchester United tomorrow, and give ourselves the best chance of beating them, you would absolutely have to go with Cuco. He's a terrible footballer in the context of professional football, but would still probably be the best player in a league 1 or non-league side. Regardless of what you think of him, he is overwhelmingly more likely to contribute to the game than Jimmy, the boy with cucumbers for legs.
Conclusion
So when you read a sentence like "Yeah, well Trump says stupid things, but so does Joe Biden"; it's true, but severely under-reflects the weighting of how that truth applies to both men. One man is doddery and trips over his words, one tells a population of people to inject themselves with bleach, and it's not even the dumbest thing he has ever said.
Just to be clear, Trump is the boy with cucumbers for legs
Or, Trump is a piece of crap whereas Biden just has trodden in it.
aww, I missed this, death challenged SDK to a "think off"!
anxiouswarrior
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Biden now 1-2 is some places thats a ridiculous price i took 25s for Hilary to step in maybe in august at the convention if there is one , but i still have an awful feeling Trump might still win 6-4 he is now , whoever wins there is going to be big trouble in America i fear
BirkenheadBlue
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Do you ever think that maybe gambling isn't your forté?
Just curious, what trouble might be ahead if Biden wins?
I think there'll be a lot of legal challenges against a Biden win (the validity of mail in ballots etc.) but when/if he does take office I think he'll steady the ship.
I'm also not sure if he'll make a full term. He may be more like Raegan in his second term but I have confidence he'll be aware of his limitations and surround himself with good people.
For what it's worth, I think Susan Rice will be his VP pick and will make a very good POTUS one day. (saw her on Maddow last night, It's clear she's in campaign mode)
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