Jealous of Chelsea or Man City

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It's rope a dope mate.

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.Further to my previous comments re the substance/existentiality of a club, its "soul", I do not think that possessing such and winning trophies is mutually exclusive. I would like us to win without selling out. I appreciate the economics of the game these days, but as with society as a whole, I feel there is an intermediate path that can be navigated, a blend of financial nous and retention of true club spirit.
 
Perfectly stated.

This whole real fan thing is overstated, imo.

If we were non league, we suffered four relegations in a row and were playing conference sides then we'd lose a lot of fans, it's a truth.

Does that mean that everyone of our fans who watches us as a top 6 club in the top divison and occasionally in europe and cup finals but wouldn't watch us in the conference or have even heard of us if were in the conference is not a real fan?

We're a big club, the fourth most successful historically and probably the 7th most successful in modern times and we get fans on here like Mikey and Bigmac who have a soft spot for a non league local team like stockprot or newport but support everton because they're their big club. And we have a bunch of foreign fans who picked everton as their prem team, not their english team, their prem team.

If this was a tranmere forum, half of us would be written off as plastic and glory supporters.

But we do this thing where we draw these lines, so the fans and money we've collected by being this successful and the fees and wages we pay because of that (15 million and 75k a week for felli) that's all authentic and real or fine.

But if we get any more successful and start paying 35 millino and 100k a week and get 6 million foreign fans rather than 300,000 well that's bad and selling our soul. It just seems completely arbitary
 
...and the EPL is young. It started in 1993. The English 'first division'....much much older. But it is the EPL that has witnessed the birth of the nouveaux riche clubs so time will tell if they have the stamina to be around at the top for the length of time Everton has.
 
its interesting as when any other clubs fans are asked this when I read their forums 90% would say yes, I wonder if this Evertonian "would rather soul" thing is a defense mechanism to try defend our current position of being once top dog to now a club that are paupers in a league dominated by money? Its the same when it comes to kenwright most fans from other clubs would have hounded him out by now, but why do everton fans by large defend him?
 
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