James McCarthy

[toffeeblue9]

It's not fair to criticise him for taking a risk with his health for Ireland when he did the same for us under Martinez, he'd be a hypocrite to some decree. It's all about judgement calls, like I said the pivotal group game, Ireland already missing half the first choice midfield, he maybe felt the same personal obligation he did for Everton to play while injured.

I've no problem with people thinking he is no longer of sufficient quality for us but can't have them criticising him trying to play in such an important game for Ireland.

If it was just about the football, I'd keep him

It isn't though. Madness to think we should put up with those kind of decisions from him. He isn't taking his club career seriously if he thinks he can do what he's just done.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

He;s unlikeable. I know people who tell me I'm wrong and that Koeman is the man to get this job done, to my consternation! But I dont find anyone who'll like him all that much.

I dont know, you may think it's all inconsequential, but I like an Everton manager to behave old school and with dignity. To get along with others and even suffer the idiocy of others when they'd rather not. A man of class with a sense of humour. Koeman cant do that. He's not man enough to walk that walk. He's an arrogant man and I dont care for him one bit. Never an Everton manager in terms of class in a month of Sundays. It might suit Ajax or some other boorish hell hole but not Everton Football Club.

Mourinho is unliekable but most evertonians would have given up their first born to get him in here last season

We need winners

End of

 

[davek]

Either or both, it's a genuine question of you... Who is your Mr.Perfect for Everton manager?

Pochettino or Favre or Tuchel.

 

[davek]

Mourinho is unliekable but most evertonians would have given up their first born to get him in here last season

We need winners

End of

Koeman and Mourinho in the same sentence on winners.

Just no.

The former is a genius; the latter hasn't won an egg cup for a decade.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Two wrongs don't make a right mate. It's irresponsible for a professional footballer to take risks with their fitness. I would say the same if he did it for an Everton game. It's also irresponsible for a manager to take that risk with the player whether it be O'Neill for Ireland or Martinez for Everton.

The fact is we now have a manager who does things the right way, as we've seen with McCarthy consistently throughout this season and with Schneiderlin this week. He doesn't take a risk with players injuries and wouldn't ask a player to do the same. He asked that player not to take that risk with Ireland during this last break, and from what I understand the club, through our medical representatives, asked the republic management/medical team to do the same.

Both the Irish management team and the player decided to ignore that medical advice with the inevitable results, and our club now have to accept the consequences during a critical time in our season. I'm not saying McCarthy would have made a difference, but I'm fairly certain that had he been fit he would have started the next two games, whether or not Schneids was passed fit. To be without both of them makes the task that much harder and next week could see the end of our hopes of Champions league football, and with it, perhaps our last chance of holding in to Lukaku.

Personally I feel that both the Irish management team and the player himself have shown a lack of respect to Everton Football club. I can understand Irish people like yourself wanting him to represent your country in an important game, but I can't understand why you are prepared to condone him taking these sort of risks with his fitness. I'm English but I wouldn't be happy with Barkley taking such a risk playing for England. In fact I'd be as angry with him as I am with McCarthy.

And quite frankly, I'm getting pretty sick of people coming on here not just trying to defend McCarthy, but also having a pop at us none Irish Everton fans for actually having the audacity to criticise him.

Nationality has nothing to do with it. A blue is a blue.

It's the same James McCarthy that played for long stretches for Everton while injured that took a chance last Friday, that in hindsight he regrets. I wasn't prepared to criticism him for it when it was club so I'm not prepared to criticism him now. You can accuse him of poor judgement but a lack of disrespect for Everton is wide of the mark.

He has been given licence to play with an injury by Everton, admittedly not by this administration, so it's not entirely fair to throw it back at him.

Koeman made it clear last September that he was happy enough to let him leave so can't see last week having too much of significance in his thinking on McCarthy.

O'Neill rightly deserves criticism for clearly pushing him to play last week, McCarthy not so much for me.

 

[arminisgod]

Either or both, it's a genuine question of you... Who is your Mr.Perfect for Everton manager?

Roberto Martinez from his 1st season

 

[AndyC]

Pochettino or Favre or Tuchel.

Interesting.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The ironic thing was Whiskey Nose Fergie would regularly pull Keane from Ireland squads back in the day when the rules were different only for him to turn out for the mancs a few days later which Keane knows full well. McCarthy has a genuine issue that I don't think the Irish Management understand/understood and Everton have only recently begun to understand. I really hope he isn't binned off as I think he's a very underrated player with years of improvement ahead of him. He's just a wee bit simple evidently!

I think Martinez had too much control over our medical/fitness team. IIRC they left en masse during his second season, probably because they disagreed with him. He used to bring players back too quickly inc Macca. We're now trying to do the right thing by the lad to sort out his problems once and for all. Which makes it all the more frustrating when this happens when he joins up with the national team.

I also think you're being a bit lenient on him. If he doesnt actually realise how irresponsible and disrespectful he's being, he needs to find out quickly.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Koeman and Mourinho in the same sentence on winners.

Just no.

The former is a genius; the latter hasn't won an egg cup for a decade.

Huh?

 

[rochdaleblue]

You can't criticise a player wanting to play in a massive game for his country, but you can criticise the Irish medical team, who ignored the advice given to them from their Everton counterparts. And you wonder why clubs are so reluctant to release their players for internationals.

 

[a bell maul]

Cos he's Irish ???

I thought he was a Scot ( by his accent)

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

You can't criticise a player wanting to play in a massive game for his country, but you can criticise the Irish medical team, who ignored the advice given to them from their Everton counterparts. And you wonder why clubs are so reluctant to release their players for internationals.

This is he whole point for me, and Koemans. Most players will play if afforded the opportunity whether fit or not, it's up to the medical staff to say no you're not fit

 

[Amw79]

You can't criticise a player wanting to play in a massive game for his country, but you can criticise the Irish medical team, who ignored the advice given to them from their Everton counterparts. And you wonder why clubs are so reluctant to release their players for internationals.

did I misunderstand? I thought the Irish medical team said he was a major risk, but JM said he felt ok, so he was allowed. In which case it's the Irish management to blame - a player can't pick himself m, that's their call.

Did I miss something there?

 

[squonk]

Koeman and Mourinho in the same sentence on winners.

Just no.

The former is a genius; the latter hasn't won an egg cup for a decade.

Wouldn't go as far as genius just yet but that could change tomorrow.

Welcome to the Koeman gang.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Nationality has nothing to do with it. A blue is a blue.

It's the same James McCarthy that played for long stretches for Everton while injured that took a chance last Friday, that in hindsight he regrets. I wasn't prepared to criticism him for it when it was club so I'm not prepared to criticism him now. You can accuse him of poor judgement but a lack of disrespect for Everton is wide of the mark.

He has been given licence to play with an injury by Everton, admittedly not by this administration, so it's not entirely fair to throw it back at him.

Koeman made it clear last September that he was happy enough to let him leave so can't see last week having too much of significance in his thinking on McCarthy.

O'Neill rightly deserves criticism for clearly pushing him to play last week, McCarthy not so much for me.

Ok mate I'll accept that. It isn't about nationality. However, it is about divided loyalties which I think you have in this case, and I don't. I'm looking at it purely from an Everton perspective. I was also wound up a bit by your previous comments about you not being prepared to accept an alternative point of view; one which I happen to agree with, and I guess my post was a reaction to that.

We're never going to agree on McCarthy's role in this, and I think we may have had a similar exchange of views earlier on in this thread, so let's just agree to disagree and put it to bed eh.

One thing I will add is that I believe the club are now (belatedly admittedly) doing their best to sort out this long term hamstring issue McCarthy clearly has, and it will benefit both club and country if this happens sooner rather than later. In my opinion it won't happen any time soon whilst the player continues to make these decisions. At the end of the day, it's his own career that's on the line here.

On a different note you said Koeman has made it clear that he is happy for him to leave. What makes you think that?. As far as I can see he's played him whenever he's been fully fit, which admittedly hasn't been very often. For a moment let's forget what happened last week. I think a fully fit McCarthy would be an asset for any team in the premier. He may not be a starter in all of them, but I don't think there's a club who's squad he isn't good enough for. But I have been advocating selling him in the summer, simply because I believe we have too many of the same type of player, and we need a midfielder with a different skill set to give the squad a better balance. I would sell him over Besic purely because he'd fetch a better price for us to spend on a suitable replacement. But I never really thought it would happen because I believed Koeman would want to keep him in the squad. So your comments above surprised me a little.