It Matters More When...

[Harryflashman]

Nobody ever bought a beer though, in the hope it might get them out of debt.

People have definitely bought a beer then another drink to try and get them to escape from how they’re feeling only to wake up feeling worse and rinse and repeat .

 

[chrismpw]

I am also sorry but there is little difference betting addiction and alcohol addiction. An addiction is a disease so for me, you should have the same stance on Chang as you do on SportPesa.

Alcohol adverts generally use emotional tools in their ads to get people drinking so, again, I see similarities with the complex computer algorithms to ensure people come back and bet more.

If we get a loan/credit card company next will you have the same views as they generally prey on the people who are inclined to get into more and more debt and lose houses, etc. etc.

I will. In fact i'd stop associating myself with the club if we sank so far as a loans company.

See my post above - also agree we could get rid of beer advertising.

And I did say 'almost' corinthian.

 

[chrismpw]

People have definitely bought a beer then another drink to try and get them to escape from how they’re feeling only to wake up feeling worse and rinse and repeat .

I didn't mention feelings though, I said 'in the hope of getting out if debt'

It's the peddaling of false hope I dislike.

 

[Lanolin]

You can lay into me if you like if you want to defend your vice so it sounds more acceptable in your head. We don't have to agree.

The issue here is about advertising an addictive pastime. I'd quite happily see all advertising scrapped. I've long lived by the observation that everything advertised mustn't be selling well (ergo it's crap).

Let's bin off beer advertising too. I don't think I've ever drunk a beer because it's been advertised.

Nobody ever bought a beer though, in the hope it might get them out of debt.

I’m not justifying anything, I’m simply saying that I can apply the same logic to betting that you do to alcohol. I’m not saying betting is great or cool or claiming it can’t be damaging, of course it can. For some reason you are suggesting that alcohol isn’t damaging though, despite the myriad of evidence that you’re wrong.

 

[Harryflashman]

I didn't mention feelings though, I said 'in the hope of getting out if debt'

It's the peddaling of false hope I dislike.

That’s what drink does as well though doesn’t it ? Same as every drug , when abused , it takes someone away from their problems and peddles a false idea of where they are and what their life is like presenting them with a false hope that everything is going to be ok if you put your problems out of your mind .

Don’t get me wrong I like a drink and I like a bet but I’ve seen people abuse both of them , let’s face it addiction is harmful and destructive.

 

[YoboCopter]

Most countries regulate gambling quite stringently. If it was harmless that wouldn't be the case.

Didnt say harmless
Just i enjoy it and just because people abuse things dosent mean should be banned

Cant ban booze coz of alcholics can ya, i agree there addictive etc bu so is sugar

 

[wandyr79]

I will. In fact i'd stop associating myself with the club if we sank so far as a loans company.

See my post above - also agree we could get rid of beer advertising.

And I did say 'almost' corinthian.

OK, so you will stop supporting the club (or at least paying them any money) due to your ethics on how businesses operate but where do you stop, for example, confectionary companies - they create a world where diabetes is the norm.

If you have had problems with addiction or know close family or friends who have had problems I can understand your stance but having a betting company on their shirts does not, for me, change my views on Everton football club as an institution. It is not the be all and end all of what the club is and what is stands for.

Oh, and believe me you have drunk a beer because it has been advertised, you have bought a product/used a service because it was advertised. You may not think you have but you have.

 

[Billy Dean]

Unsurprisingly, this study suggests football’s promotion of gambling leads to problems with addiction and debt.
If we Evertonians are to be, rightly, proud of EITC, should we also be ashamed and actively try and change our close ties to gambling companies?
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ing-dire-consequences-young-men-bet-new-study

Always thought the "it matters more" was a disgraceful bit of advertising.

 

[Toast]

I drink and gamble.


A logo on a shirt means nothing to me.
I only opened a sportspesa account to bag a free shirt.

 

[chrismpw]

I’m not justifying anything, I’m simply saying that I can apply the same logic to betting that you do to alcohol. I’m not saying betting is great or cool or claiming it can’t be damaging, of course it can. For some reason you are suggesting that alcohol isn’t damaging though, despite the myriad of evidence that you’re wrong.

I never said that.
I think it is less damaging to society than gambling, but I never said it wasn't harmful. I think you're just looking for an argument.

 

[chrismpw]

That’s what drink does as well though doesn’t it ? Same as every drug , when abused , it takes someone away from their problems and peddles a false idea of where they are and what their life is like presenting them with a false hope that everything is going to be ok if you put your problems out of your mind .

Don’t get me wrong I like a drink and I like a bet but I’ve seen people abuse both of them , let’s face it addiction is harmful and destructive.

Couldn't agree more. And though betting isn't for me, I've git no problem with people doing it, it's their life and their cash to waste - but the advertising, the constant, incessant temotation if it around sport should be stopped.

Then we have the effect that betting has on the veracity of news and information. Skybet I'm looking at you! They'll dream up all sorts if stories to get people to bet on things that patently aren't true.

 

[chrismpw]

OK, so you will stop supporting the club (or at least paying them any money) due to your ethics on how businesses operate but where do you stop, for example, confectionary companies - they create a world where diabetes is the norm.

If you have had problems with addiction or know close family or friends who have had problems I can understand your stance but having a betting company on their shirts does not, for me, change my views on Everton football club as an institution. It is not the be all and end all of what the club is and what is stands for.

Oh, and believe me you have drunk a beer because it has been advertised, you have bought a product/used a service because it was advertised. You may not think you have but you have.

No mate, I actively avoid responding to adverts. As soon as I see one (I tend not to watch advert infested tv) I make a note to swerve. Call me odd if you like but I pathologically detest the entire industry, their mind tricks and their visual litter that is scattered every where you look.

My stance isn't something you need to understand, its simply my opinion that the world would be a better place without it. I have always been proud of Evrrton's values. In recent years in the claw for money that pride has taken a considerable beating. What I said was, if we start down the route of loan shark sponsorship, then that'll be the end for me.

I'm holding into my interest of football by the very end of my fingernails as it is. It's become a scripted competition for cheats down to the money involved now, and is no longer a sport.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Like everything in life until it affects you_ sloppy shoulders .

 

[YoboCopter]

I drink and gamble.


A logo on a shirt means nothing to me.
I only opened a sportspesa account to bag a free shirt.

Two of the best pastimes a man can have imo

 

[Toast]

Two of the best pastimes a man can have imo

It's when I combine the two big style, that either very good.. or very bad things happen.