Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Of course I do.

Historically the Palestinians have been dispossessed, humiliated, degraded and killed routinely by the Israeli state.

Maybe you disagree.

No mate, I do not disagree. I believe the Israeli state and it’s rulers has been working to change the physical ownership of the country for their own benefit, but I do not agree with setting off thousands of dumb missiles aimed at what is an innocent population. If you or I were an Israeli citizen at the moment what do you think would be our reaction to the events of the last couple of days……
 
The Israeli hostages are doomed I fear. Israel will flatten Gaza.
Yes, they're doomed.

Surrounded by a load of drongos shouting Allah Akbar and truly believing they're doing the lord's work.

It's the end of Gaza and Israel won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Hamas commanders? Must of them will already be well away counting the 'winnings' of the past couple of days.
 
Yes, they're doomed.

Surrounded by a load of drongos shouting Allah Akbar and truly believing they're doing the lord's work.

It's the end of Gaza and Israel won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Hamas commanders? Must of them will already be well away counting the 'winnings' of the past couple of days.
Both sides believe they're doing 'God/g-ds work', that is one of the most fundamental issues.
 
No mate, I do not disagree. I believe the Israeli state and it’s rulers has been working to change the physical ownership of the country for their own benefit, but I do not agree with setting off thousands of dumb missiles aimed at what is an innocent population. If you or I were an Israeli citizen at the moment what do you think would be our reaction to the events of the last couple of days……

I think if I were a decent person who hadn't profited from the stealing of someone's land in a clearance of Palestinians and set up my home there in their stead, I'd be thinking "wtf have I done to deserve this...I didn't do anything. Drop your bombs on the government and the military."
 
Both sides believe they're doing 'God/g-ds work', that is one of the most fundamental issues.
No argument with you there.

One side is doing gods work with a sophisticated military.

The other is doing it with a load of goat farmers and taxi drivers.

I know which gods set of fighters is 'winning' this current battle.

The Hamas leaders holed up in Qatari luxury will show a bit of remorse for the poor slaughtered Palestinian souls and wait for the next batch of volunteers to the cause. (they'll have plenty)

Gaza is done. The UN won't do anything besides a forlorn plea for restraint and a bit of hand wringing. I wouldn't be shocked if Jerusalem is completely under Israeli control in a few months. Al Aqsa mosque, gone.
 
Ridiculous wasn't it. Cosying up to Zionists, less than 10% of the indigenous population was Jewish.
I suppose they were opposing the Ottoman at the time.
What a disaster that Balfour caused.
Yes, and no. The reasoning behind the creation of the state may have, to some extent, been due to 'cosying with Zionists', but it's only one part of it.

One of the main causes for the creation of Israel was the UN's acceptance that a number of historical and religious arguments justified an Israeli state.

After long-standing persecution, that eventually reached its peak with the Holocaust, Jews feeling unwelcome and unsafe in many states fled to Palestine.

Several of the Jewish people I know explain how for many 'being a Jew' comes before any form of national sentiment, which has meant they never feel 'a part'.

I'm explaining this incredibly briefly (it deserves a far deeper explanation), but the instilled belief in their 'holy land' additionally played a part in the rational.

At first, we (Britain) tried unsuccessfully to swell the numbers, so ultimately with the UN decided to create two equally sized territories for Arabs and Jews.

But this never fully happened because of the outcome of the first Israeli-Arab war, so in hindsight the failings are more to do with the implementation than the intent.
 
And the funders of the Israeli war machine live in far off lands too, living in luxury as well.
Exactly. The whole thing is mental.

I still can't get my head around these retirement age clowns thinking it's fine to relocate to Israel and it's perfectly acceptable to have a Palestinian family evicted from the home so they have a place to settle.

I mean, what goes through their brain?
 
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